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Posted on 04/08/2002 4:23:46 PM PDT by Sungirl

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To: Sungirl
"Even deer populations may be damaged by hunting pressure. Unlike natural predators and the forces of natural selection, hunters do not target the weaker individuals in populations of deer or other animals."

WRONG!

I'm sure you are well meaning, but unbelievably ignorant of deer hunting. Here in Kansas, the deer population is so out of control that for the last two years, we have been able to take six deer in a year. At least five of them have to be anterlerless, depending on if you're lucky to draw one buck tag.

I'm a meat hunter and could care less about antlers. Most of the hunters I know are the same. That doesn't mean we would pass up a nice buck, but we are just as happy with a doe. The farmers are happy to have us taking them too.

I used to be one of those bleeding heart anti-hunters too. That is until I learned a few facts and actually went out and did it. Now I don't miss an opening day of any season. So if you want to have an educated opinion on the matter, I suggest you go along on a hunt.

401 posted on 04/12/2002 2:12:00 AM PDT by CarolAnn
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To: Terriergal
Another lady hunter!!! If you were here, I'd hug ya!!

I didn't come anywhere near crying when I shot my first deer, but anytime I kill an animal, I do have a feeling of respect, and maybe a little guilt. It's a little something you feel in your belly that will make you wait for a good clean shot, or pass up a shot you think won't do the job quick.

402 posted on 04/12/2002 2:23:39 AM PDT by CarolAnn
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To: SJackson
I'd be interested to hear about what a German/European training experience like that encompassed, if you know.

I don't know any details, he didn't go into it. I got the sense that the idea was that periodic breakdowns in the social order due to wars and whatnot were inevitable, so evey kid should know how to go into the forest and kill to eat, just in case.

403 posted on 04/12/2002 2:59:57 AM PDT by Nick Danger
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To: CarolAnn
About 30 years ago in Kansas if you weren't a landowner you had to draw for one if I remember right.
404 posted on 04/12/2002 5:15:52 AM PDT by Free Trapper
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To: CyberCowboy777
I guess I can stand with you against the act of killing (but not eating) Squirrels. I won't be attending any rallies though.

I understand...but unfortunately I feel most hunters will not admit that they have killed other animals~~unnecessarily~~ for the hell of it. Be it birds, squirrels or rabbit...whatever.

405 posted on 04/12/2002 5:23:28 AM PDT by Sungirl
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To: Free Trapper;SJackson
I made my own spear as well. I used to use a long broomhandle, 6'. It fit in the trunk of my '66 impala nicely, but it was difficult to get close enough to the carp in shallow water.

Switched up to a 12' piece of galvanized conduit for the handle and things are much nicer. I was able to fit it in the passenger compartment of the impala, which says a lot about that car. When I switched up to the F150, I had to open the slider window because it wouldn't fit in the box. Gotta love a car that big.

No offense intended with the 'what is this thread about' comment... just think it's funny that it's us hijacking SunGirl's thread instead of the other way around. Looks like she has moved on, once again without responding to any of the salient points. So it goes when clinging to the indefensible.

406 posted on 04/12/2002 5:31:02 AM PDT by Gianni
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To: SJackson
Oh, squirels are in the area - they're just not on my property.

While woodchuck meat isn't bad, it's not good either. Just kinda there.

407 posted on 04/12/2002 7:01:27 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: Sungirl
I feel

Got facts?

408 posted on 04/12/2002 7:02:39 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: Gianni;ctdonath2
I've seen a few people through the years that would pull some kind of miserable stunt and then say"everyone does it".These people seem to believe their own ornery actions are defensible because"everyone does it".

Do you think somebody might have a guilty conscience?

409 posted on 04/12/2002 7:10:58 AM PDT by Free Trapper
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To: ctdonath2
Just from what I read and my own experience....and from alot of the posts I read in here. In fact many of the posts I read in here intensified my beliefs.

By the way...I am not embarrassed by my private emails....I was pointing out the true character of people who post them .....I compare it telling your friends a secret and they decide to tell it word for word to the world. Those kind of people you need to stay away from...esp if someone can blow away animals and brag about it.

410 posted on 04/12/2002 7:46:56 AM PDT by Sungirl
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To: Gianni
Moved on? This is about the 10th thread....I think that we should all give JROB about $25 bucks each this week.
411 posted on 04/12/2002 7:51:24 AM PDT by Sungirl
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To: ctdonath2
I FEEL

Ok...so tell me. Ever kill an animal just for the hell of it while hunting? LIke a squirrel....raccoon, rabbit, crow? See.....if I ask every poster in here who hunts that same question....do you think they will tell me the truth to verify how I feel? I don't think so. But for many years of working with and living around hunters..........they not only tell their stories to eachother.....they brag.

412 posted on 04/12/2002 7:56:55 AM PDT by Sungirl
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To: Sungirl
Just from what I read and my own experience....

How about expanding what you read with "Meditations on Hunting" - a very thoughtful & comprehensive analysis of why people hunt?
How about expanding your experiences by actually accompanying someone on a hunt? Find out what hunting really entails.
What you've read and experienced is quite limited. You're not going to get the big picture by limiting yourself to PETA propaganda and casual on-line arguments.

many of the posts I read in here intensified my beliefs.

Ironically, you're doing the same on a larger scale for your opposition. A number of people here (moi included) will be thinking "this one's for Sungirl" as they take their next prey.

I compare [posting private messages to] telling your friends a secret and they decide to tell it word for word to the world.

But the person in question here isn't your friend, is he?
And the message you privately sent wasn't a secret, was it?
You didn't tell a friend a secret in private, you insulted a stranger in private - and that does not deserve the same protections.

Those kind of people you need to stay away from...esp if someone can blow away animals and brag about it.

You're projecting again, m'am.

413 posted on 04/12/2002 8:05:09 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: Sungirl
Ok...so tell me. Ever kill an animal just for the hell of it while hunting? LIke a squirrel....raccoon, rabbit, crow?

Nope. Not at all. Every shot has been deliberate, every animal taken has been eaten. God's honest truth.

do you think they will tell me the truth to verify how I feel?

Tell the truth? Yes.
To verify how you feel? No. The truth, in this case, will not verify how you feel. How you feel on this subject is unjustified. You're fishing for someone to admit to a wasteful thrill kill just so you can point to that isolated fact and shout "see? they all do it! all hunters are EEEEvil!"

I don't think so. But for many years of working with and living around hunters..........they not only tell their stories to eachother.....they brag.

Not our problem if you hang around bad people. Just don't assume & accuse others of being bad.

414 posted on 04/12/2002 8:10:30 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: ctdonath2
Haha....if I insulted a perfect stranger it was at least in private after he/she insulted me to the world. I hardly make the first move to insult.

I imagine people will kill extra things while hunting in my name....but I am positive that my name will be the only thing new to the 'so-called hunt'.

415 posted on 04/12/2002 8:13:47 AM PDT by Sungirl
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To: ctdonath2
Tell the truth? Yes.

LOL!! You're from ORK aren't you.

Some people have already admitted killing pets..etc...and teach their kids the same things. I'll have to gather the posts together. But...I have to go back to work now for the day...and i think we have wasted enough space here. I am going to send FR $25 bucks today.....you?

416 posted on 04/12/2002 8:18:09 AM PDT by Sungirl
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To: CarolAnn
Yay!!! Hugs back atcha! :-)
417 posted on 04/12/2002 9:02:12 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: CarolAnn
I do have a feeling of respect, and maybe a little guilt.

Oh geez now you've done it. Don't let Sungirl read that one!

418 posted on 04/12/2002 9:03:04 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: RWG
There are definitely those kinds of people out there who think hunting is just an excuse to get away from the wife for a week or two and let their hedonism run wild in the privacy of a hunting shack.

I think our problem with ppl like Sungirl is that she is saying all of us are like that, that hunting is cruel no matter how you slice it. Of course now she has seemed to temper that in at least one post I saw.

419 posted on 04/12/2002 9:07:13 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: Sungirl
If you really thought about it I think you would see that this is hardly an epidemic. Most Wildlife populations have increased over the last few decades, those that have not are usually in other countries.

I am all for care for our planet, but let me emphasize our. Many things harm the planet and the animal kingdom but man has always progressed in learning to manage the situation. Hunting is not an issue, it is natural and few animals are tortured for the hell of it (more by sickos than actual hunters). In Fact I would be willing to bet that poor environmental policies pushed by the radical left have done more harm than all the hunters in the USA. Just look at the terrible deaths caused by the Environmentalist who thought they knew best and ended up harming all sorts of wildlife in the Kalamath Basin.

It is time for common sense and facts. Common Sense says that hunting is no great harm. In fact I am sure less "wild" animals are hunted now than ever in the US. So many just rely on industry to raise, slaughter and process their food never having affected the wild populations of Squirrels.

I think you need a much more important cause, try Global warming or the plight of the Palestinians.

420 posted on 04/12/2002 9:15:30 AM PDT by CyberCowboy777
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