Learn the Facts about Hunting

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[Ragin1]

I shot 2 doves today. Just keeping up the reflexes. Have a good day. Sentient beings are tasty.

[Terriergal]

Man... that really *is* an idiotic post. First you don't want us to put animals on the same level as people, and then we "prove the compassion" of hunters by saying we wouldn't rescue a dog from X danger if it meant risking our lives. But we would try to rescue a human. Thereby putting humans on a higher plane than animals. Make up your mind. Either animals are different, and can/should be treated differently, or they aren't.

I wouldn't rescue the seeing eye dog of anyone either, because they can be replaced, tragic as the loss would be, they are likely covered by insurance against accidental death. At least, if I had to have one I would insure it.

[DAnconia55]

Fall is the time when forest greens begin to blaze orange, as hunting seasons open around the country. Each year, hunters kill more than 100 million animals, and while individual reasons for hunting vary, the industry that promotes and sustains hunting has just one motive: profit

Faulty premise and logical fallacy.
All industries have one motive : profit.

Thanks for playing.

[Terriergal]

And what exactly was the "scope" an answer to?

[Sir Beowolf]

Did you Blow the Shot?, or just admire what had happen and think about the time that you spent in the stand?

[Cleburne]

The vast majority of species that are hunted—waterfowl, upland birds, mourning doves, squirrels, raccoons, rabbits, crows, coyotes, etc.—provide minimal sustenance and do not require population control.

Shucks! We'uns eats us squirrels an' lizards avary' day. What you'uns talkin about, not gotten no "suber-stance"? Aint you ever eatin' some good ci'yote raw and nice like? Mmm, fanger-lickin good! Specially when 'ay's a still squirmin', heh-heh! Crow, it be the most bestest of all of 'em, stomp on 'ar heads good some when you catch 'em. I's makes crow sandwiches, 'ays good!

Joking aside, whoever thinks waterfowl don't provide food is an idiot- or lying, as in this case. And coyotes and crows never require population control? These people aren't even very good liers!

[Terriergal]

ROFL you guys!

[ctdonath2]

Let's have a Bible lesson shall we?

Yes, let's!

Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

Mat 15:36-37 And he took the seven loaves and the fishes, and gave thanks, and brake [them], and gave to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude. And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the broken [meat] that was left seven baskets full.

1Cr 8:8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.

Col 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.

Rom 14:2-3 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Act 10:11-15 And [in a trance, Peter] saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice [spake] unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, [that] call not thou common.
John sees the same vision in the next chapter.

God emphatically states that he never wanted animal sacrifices.

...for reasons having nothing to do with sustinence. Eating meat for nourishment is axiomatic in Scripture.
BTW: There's about a hundred verses ordering animal sacrifices.

To be sure, we are not to condemn those who, for whatever reason, do not eat meat...and those who do not are not to condemn those who do. Nobody here has a problem with you not eating meat; we have a problem with you condemning us for doing so.

[Dan from Michigan]

How many hunters do you think would risk their lives for their dog, especially a hunting dog.

[WhyisaTexasgirlinPA]

Don't you just love factual articles like this?....lol......

[Terriergal]

Yeah I was wondering where that "God never wanted animal sacrifices." Sure, the animal sacrifices weren't going to do the job that the ultimate atoning sacrifice did, but it wasn't for God that the sacrifices were made but for the people, to remind them of their sin and that it required the shedding of blood to pay for.

[ctdonath2]

Look...SCOPES!

Scopes, yes. "Laser scopes", no.

[rebelyell]

I hunt because I enjoy killing animals and eating their flesh. I am teaching my children to do the same and expect they will do the same with theirs. Two things you bunnyhuggers need to understand are this: You will never disarm us. You will never prevent us from living our lives the way we choose. That includes killing animals and eating them. We are willing to fight and die for our convictions....are YOU?

[Terriergal]

HSUS will change its tune fast when one of its leaders is killed by a deer

No they'll just sue the Fish and Wildlife service like PETA is doing.

[SJackson]

As a commited enviornmentalist, I pinged the thread earlier for after dinner (pasta from the store, vegies too late for last years garden, but the sausage, love that venison). Sungirl, you're not keeping your end of the thread up, youo knew you were the underdog when you started it. All I can add:

Awesome, but my wife says the yearling does are the tastiest.

[going hot]

Ever kill a crow or a squirrel?

No tree squirrels (yet), there wuld not be enough left after I shot them with what I have. Also, my JRT's enjoy conversing with them, begging them to come down and play [ :-) ],However, I have shot, plowed over, disced up and poisoned numerous ground squirrels, they dig holes that my horses can step into and break a leg.

Crows? Only when they are too numerous, and attempt to feed on my neighbor's freshly delivered lamb's eyes or umbilicus, or other bad habits they may get into, otherwise, they don't look like they would taste good. Although, my freind says they taste like somewhat between a spotted owl and a california sea gull....

The point is, the article attempts to refute hunting per se, and attempts to bolster the argument with his statements, which have no basis in fact, and simply can not be made with a straight face by anyone with any sense.
Picking a particular "cutesy" animal as evidence of "bad hunters" does you or your agrumentative skills no justice. Indeed, most hunters probably have a favorite game, and probably quite a few have some game they would rather not engage.

Does the author, or do you, have the moral authority to place judgement on another's actions for wanting to circumvent the supermarket to place food on their table, or perhaps ease the pain and suffering of a herd by thinning it out, or perhaps simply ridding their yard of dangerous vermin?

Would you complain if your neighborhood were being overrun by great big sewer rats, and a kindly neighbor offerred to off the ones seen in your yard with a shotgun or a .22?

I am sure your fertile mind can come up with numerous other examples where it would be "OK" to pull the trigger on an animal.

[Terriergal]

No I had just put my bow down on the rope and was packing up my backpack when they came out.

[Ditter]

Oh my gosh! Where did you get that one? I'll have to get my hunting other half in here to see it.

[Terriergal]

Hmm.... now *that* puts a new twist in it. If it's HUNTING dog I just might run into a burning building.... {8-P

[SJackson]

Two seasons ago on the last day I was in my treestand - just had lowered my bow. It was deep snow and a nearly full moon. Wouldn't you know it just as soon as I lowered my bow five deer came out of the swamp and stopped under my stand. So I sat there and watched them mill around for a while. They were trying to figure out why they felt uneasy.

Did you regret being out there that day, not having a shot? I bet you didn't, hard to explain why sometimes we watch them, isn't it?