[bluefish]

My point is that your standards can never and will never be applied. If we are talking ideals, then we can talk for hours about a multitude of things we would like changed. But reality does not allow for what you are suggesting, most of which I agree with.

Then your problematic contradiction still exists now, doesn't it? If you agree with most of my requirments, you cannot at the same time demand that we open the borders (which they already are of course, so you are really screaming for us not to close the borders).

Either you are arguing for a free-for-all flood of immigrants without restriction, or you are not. I am saying no. You can't have it both ways.

[paul544]

I have never once suggested a free for all flood. But give them the opportunity to come here and make a life for themselves.