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Bush Says Will Sign Campaign Finance Bill ( NEWS CONFERENCE, El Salvador )
REUTERS ^ | 3/24/2002 | REUTERS

Posted on 03/24/2002 11:37:17 PM PST by TLBSHOW

Bush Says Will Sign Campaign Finance Bill

SAN SALVADOR, El Salvador (Reuters) -

President Bush (news - web sites) said on Sunday he would sign landmark campaign finance reform legislation with only a slight hesitation, reflecting his ongoing concerns about the measure.

"I won't hesitate" signing it, Bush said at a joint news conference with Salvadoran President Francisco Flores as the president wrapped up a four-day trip to Latin America. "It will probably take about three seconds to get to the W, I may hesitate on the period, and then rip through the Bush."

The legislation to reduce the influence of money in politics won final congressional approval last week, and Bush has pledged to sign it soon.

The bill would ban unlimited contributions known as "soft money" to national political parties, limit such donations to state and local parties and restrict broadcast ads by outside groups shortly before elections.

Former independent counsel Kenneth Starr, whose investigation of Bill Clinton's sex life resulted in the president's impeachment in 1998, is to lead a legal challenge that will seek to knock down most of the measure as unconstitutional.

Bush said he felt the campaign bill did not fully address the need to require identification of who is funding so-called independent groups that introduce "scurrilous, untrue" television advertisements in the last days of a campaign, as he said happened to him in his 2000 presidential campaign.

"I've always thought that people who pump money into the political system, we ought to know who they are," he said.

Bush said that nonetheless the "bill is a better bill than the current system," but that some parts of it might not stand up to a court challenge.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush; campaignfinance
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To: TLBSHOW
It would be better if our limp wristed spelunkers in the Senate would grow some balls. But...

...strictly out of curiosity... if the bill is signed, and then the Supremes rule those unconstitutional parts as as unconstitutional, what part of the bill will remain?

Will that part be to the liking of those who originally crafted that piece of $#%&?

I'm just guessing here, or perhaps just hoping, but it could turn out to be a knife in the crook's backs if their bill gets reduced only to the constitutional parts. That's why I am curious to see what won't get struck down.

It could backfire big-time on the authors of the original piece of $#!t. I wonder if there are any lawyer-types out there who could predict what this bill will look like once it is gutted of its foul parts... and what effect the reborn bill will then have?

21 posted on 03/25/2002 1:08:31 AM PST by piasa
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To: piasa
Our President doesn't think much of his duty to uphold the Constitution. No wonder he wants to perpetrate constitutionally forcible rape along with the Congress. Talk about restoring dignity and respect to our government.
22 posted on 03/25/2002 1:12:01 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: nopardons
You're such a nice guy. Tell you what. I won't read your opinions anymore, and if mine bother you, please don't read them.

Former president Bush sr. lost an election for one reason, and one reason alone. He offended the American public by breaking his "read my lips, no new taxes" promise....Even with the Gulf war in his back pocket.

George W. is about to break his promise to not sign any CFR bill that violated certain principles.

Thats not a good thing.

23 posted on 03/25/2002 1:13:15 AM PST by antidemocommie
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To: piasa
Your guesstimates are correc. The Dems are already howling that they don't much like this Bill as it stands ! Once the DC wipes out the unConstirurional parts, they'l like it even less !

Bush's signing the Bill, removes entirely , the ability of his opponents to hang him on vetoing / stoping it. It's a knife in their backs ; a double whammy.

24 posted on 03/25/2002 1:13:41 AM PST by nopardons
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To: goldstategop
Our President doesn't think much of his duty to uphold the Constitution. No wonder he wants to perpetrate constitutionally forcible rape along with the Congress. Talk about restoring dignity and respect to our government. 22 posted on 3/25/02 2:12 AM Pacific by goldstategop

Im just amazed that he won't back off of it since its soo unpopular with Conservatives.

25 posted on 03/25/2002 1:15:45 AM PST by antidemocommie
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To: antidemocommie
The LAST thing in the world, that I am, is a " guy " ; nice or otherwise, and I have repeatedly told you this for months. You don't pay any attention to what others repond to you. All you do is write your own mindless, unthinking drivel.

Yes, X41 lost because enough morons were stupid enough to think that a Dem woudn't screw them into the ground, sell / give away the vast majority of our state secrets, and ignore , TOTALLY the classified info that permitted 9/11/01 to happen undeterred. I guess that you haven't learned that lesson either. YOU DON'T GUVE A DAMN WHAT HAPPENS TO YOUR COUNTRY AND TO YOUR FELLOW CITIZENS.

You don't read what I type, so can the hyperbolic bloviation. Your entreaty is about as sincere as Yasar Arafat's claims that he isn't in any way responsuble for the detahs if the inncent Israelis. You can't refute what I say, so you pull this ploy ? You aren't fooling anyone; least of all me.

26 posted on 03/25/2002 1:23:43 AM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
i agree, principles, schminciples, politics is the art of the possible

gwb, the all-time KING of hard-money, knows for a fact that the doubling and future indexing of hard-money limits will stand

he probably thinks there's a good chance that part or all of the soft-money limits will be struck down, but it's no big deal either way, money always flows around all obstacles, and new spill-ways are being thought up as we type, and the whole cfr exercise is largely useless

now, i could do without the tariffs on steel and lumber, and cfr, most of fat ted's eddykashun bill, and this and that and the other thing, and probably ten more things in the next couple of years, but taken overall, gwb's more or less as advertised, and considering ANY 'rat alternative, he's a veritable demi-god

honesty and integrity, tax cuts and the inclination to cut more taxes, and the brass to fight a war without asking the u.n. for permission covers a multitude of sins

unfortunately, to some, the only acceptable candidate would be themselves

27 posted on 03/25/2002 1:33:51 AM PST by AntiScumbag
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To: AntiScumbag
You make a great deal of sense and unlike what seems to be a growing horde of babies, on FR, understand politics. :-)
28 posted on 03/25/2002 1:42:08 AM PST by nopardons
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To: AntiScumbag
unfortunately, to some, the only acceptable candidate will be a one term president. He's losing his base. Like father, like son.
29 posted on 03/25/2002 1:43:50 AM PST by Ragin1
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To: Ragin1
ahhh, cfr, despite the big deal the media likes to make it out to be, makes it onto the radar screen of an extremely tiny percentage of voters

it's the big stuff that counts, and two years from now cfr will be long forgotten by virtually everyone, including his "base"

30 posted on 03/25/2002 1:58:34 AM PST by AntiScumbag
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To: Ragin1
Unfortnately to some, the only candidate whom they'd be happy with, has about as much chance of ever being elected, as a grain of sand ( as about as much brain power ) ,at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean. They'll still be screaming about thiere " principles ", if / when this country is ruled by Hitlery ; claiming that it wasn't their fault she got elected.
31 posted on 03/25/2002 2:00:18 AM PST by nopardons
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To: TLBSHOW
Is it just me, or is it that every finance and election law further locks in the Republicrats as the only party that could ever get elected in effective numbers?
32 posted on 03/25/2002 2:07:57 AM PST by Quila
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To: nopardons
You are a baby, an infant, who purposefully would do yourself and your country injurey, without turning a hair, just because you can't get 100 % of everything you imagine you want, and don't even know why you want it.

This is the exact same argument the Dems were using to keep people from voting for Ralph Nader: a vote for Nader = a vote for Bush.

And it's people swallowing this argument that will always keep the Republicrats in charge and thus the government bigger and bigger, and our freedoms fewer and fewer.

33 posted on 03/25/2002 2:14:17 AM PST by Quila
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To: antidemocommie
If the outcome of the signature after the subsequent ruling by the Supreme Court does the opposite of what the original crafters of the bill intended, then I don't give a rat's butt about the promise because the end result will be the same or even better than if he hadn't signed it. It is like a chess game; if you confine yourself to making moves only one step in advance, you will be utterly destroyed by the competitor who can play chess by thinking several turns in advance. Many times I have sacrificed bishops or knights, or other apparently critical pieces, and have been roundly criticized for stupid moves by observers who couldn't predict the course of the game and so could not see my intent was to set up my opponent for a fall. Some observers, after I've won, even fail to recognize that the 'stupid move' was the key action which led to the deception of my opponent, and so was key to the victory.

If daddy Bush's signature on the tax hike had gotten run through the Supreme Court by the executive branch and had been selectively snipped by the court rulings until the end effect was a tax cut, then Daddy Bush would have been commended for a brilliant tactical move. The problem was that the the dem's tax hike went right through and was not opposed or altered. It was allowed to stand as a concession.

I don't know what the bill is going to look like after the executive branch challenges it in court, but I bet the administration knows darn well what it should look like after the ruling, asuming the justices will see the obvious and predictably rule. If the constitutionality is obvious, then the ruling should be predictable to the executive branch since it knows exactly what parts they are going to challenge, effectively allowing the executive to legislate through cut-and-paste selective reengineering of the bill. Like my opponents in chess, those who created the bill in effect may find themselves trapped by their own short-sightedness.

Or maybe not and Bush has wimped out. I don't know, to be blunt... using the court to trap your opponent in such a way is not something I would have thought of doing. I would have simply not signed the thing and then just suffer through the inevitable accusations of supporting big money, etc, in elections. But then, I'm not a world class chess player; nor a world class lawyer. The Bush team on the other hand is stocked very well with world class legal strategists. These are not your Democrat-style lawyers who got through law school by snorting crack with the professor or by wearing kneepads while serving as interns.

I'm betting that you know no more about the end result of the court rulings than I do. And both of us together know less of the ultimate outcome than do the lawyers who are about to fight it out in the courts. That they are planning to fight suggests that they have a plan already in motion. I'm more inclined to believe that the only thing libs have on their side is the relentless corruptibility of human nature. The thing conservatives have on their side is a wealth of experience and the habit of meticulous planning and judicious risk-taking. In the short run the corrupt guys make advances; in the long run the guy who can think outside of the box and who can predict his opponent's moves even before his oponent thinks of them, is the guy who wins. But going outside of the box frays the nerves of those not privy to the plan. So when results aren't instantly obvious, people tend to prematurely mock moves they don't understand.

34 posted on 03/25/2002 2:26:20 AM PST by piasa
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To: nopardons
Good morning, been a while since we chatted. I have to question your "double whammy" statement. I think it is a really dangerous move for the President to sign this bill and hope that the SC invalidates any part or all of it. This is because the demos are already going to do anything they can to block any SC nominations that President Bush makes. They just don't want another conservative on the bench. Forcing the SC to rule on this will just provide more fuel to the fire. I can hear them now: "Just look at what they did to the election, just look how they destroyed that wonderful CFR that we all knew would solve the world's problems, just think how terrible it will be if there are more CONSERVATIVES onthe court!!! Don't forget, it is a life time appoint and al gore will never be able to change it".

It doesn't matter how bad they think the bill is now, once the court starts tearing it apart it will become the single most important piece of legislation ever to have been created, or so they will say. Don't forget that they believe that soft money propelled GWB in the election, Without it, the SC would have never needed to have "selected" our new President.

The single best thing President Bush could do tomorrow is to tear the document in two and through it into the trash on national television.

35 posted on 03/25/2002 2:38:03 AM PST by Brad C.
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To: antidemocommie
If that is the reason you won't vote for Bush then by all means go waste your vote on someone who won't win in the next election. He has said all the time he would sign--what made you think he wouldn't?
36 posted on 03/25/2002 3:04:43 AM PST by olliemb
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To: antidemocommie
Yeah and then Clinton came into power and raised the taxes even more. Are you happy now--Bush lost the election b/c he was outfoxed by Clinton and Carville who kept up the pressure on the economy, stupid. Get a life--yoiu are a bonafide Bush basher and most likely a far left liberal and you are getting your jollies as a liberalist jihadding.
37 posted on 03/25/2002 3:09:42 AM PST by olliemb
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To: antidemocommie
Yeah and then Clinton came into power and raised the taxes even more. Are you happy now--Bush lost the election b/c he was outfoxed by Clinton and Carville who kept up the pressure on the economy, stupid. Get a life--yoiu are a bonafide Bush basher and most likely a far left liberal and you are getting your jollies as a liberalist jihadding.
38 posted on 03/25/2002 3:09:44 AM PST by olliemb
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To: Texasforever
Gosh a new form of opus.

Get over it ..... Bush is shooting himself in the foot with a 20mm Phalanx cannon with regards to this.

39 posted on 03/25/2002 3:33:57 AM PST by Centurion2000
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To: olliemb
That is all he is, a far left wing nut! From the du I bet.

Did you see his last piece of spew?

40 posted on 03/25/2002 6:17:57 AM PST by TLBSHOW
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