Thank you, innocentbystander! I just wanted to congratulate you on your intelligent and reasonable comment, which I read the other day on another thread. You comments were right on target:
To: JohnHuang2 Bush is a friggin genius.
He had his Mexico meeting and all the good will that went with it. Now it is left to the Dems to remove the one part of the bill that Mexico wanted.
Bush doesnt get blamed for the immigration clause, while the Democrats get blamed for its EXCLUSION!! Every one here is happy, but the immigrant population blames the Dems instead of Bush!
Masterful, Mr Rove!
8 posted on 3/18/02 10:53 PM Pacific by innocentbystander
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You were absolutely right! By reading this article it's clear that was GW's intentions. Nevertheless, the Bush haters even in the face of this article fail to realize that this was GW's ultimate political end-game plan.
The reality was this, as this article indicates:
Passage of the bill would, in fact, allow certain undocumented immigrants to file residency applications without having to leave the country. Current law, covered by Section 245(i) of the U.S. immigration statute, requires such immigrants to return home for as long as 10 years. To qualify, immigrants would need a family member or employer as a sponsor and need to prove the relationship existed before Aug. 15, 2001. They also would have to pay a $1,000 fine and prove that they were in the country on or before Dec. 21, 2000.
But immigration experts said passage of 245(i) is a minor issue between the United States and Mexico, affecting a small number of immigrants.
SMALL NUMBER OF IMMIGRANTS! It was never millions as most of "the sky is falling" types on these threads were screaming about. And the bill now has failed.
innocentbystander: Bush is a friggin genius. He had his Mexico meeting and all the good will that went with it. Now it is left to the Dems to remove the one part of the bill that Mexico wanted.
The one part of the bill that most Americans, had they been informed, would have opposed.
How is that good for the GOP?
innocentbystander: Bush doesnt get blamed for the immigration clause, while the Democrats get blamed for its EXCLUSION!! Every one here is happy, but the immigrant population blames the Dems instead of Bush!
Nice exercise in wishful thinking. Bush will most certainly be blamed for this surreptitious Amnesty attempt, he was the instigator.
You are underestimating the volatility of this issue, IB.
But, let's take your "Bush is a friggin' genius" argument a step further.
Answer me this
If the Latinos and the immigrant population flock to the GOP because the Dems blocked Amnesty...
What will the RINOs have top offer them to stay?
Victoria Delsoul: SMALL NUMBER OF IMMIGRANTS! It was never millions as most of "the sky is falling" types on these threads were screaming about. And the bill now has failed.
Just not true, Victoria... Most were simply not screaming about millions of Amnesties from this particular bill.
What many ardent Bush defenders fail to understand is that any Amnesty only encourages more Illegals... The only thing that will dissuade them is deportation. But we all know that there is bipartisan cowardice on that issue.
The millions being discussed, in most cases, were in references to other "normalization" and "regularization" Amnesties by other names that the Bush Administration has been floating trial balloons for almost since he took his oath.
The innacurate screaming was done by those claiming that President Bush's proposed 245(i) extension wouldn't be an Amnesty in any form. This was shown to be false HERE.
Many, if not most of the estimated 200,000 "changes in status" would be for Illegals, who never should have been in this country in the first place. As far as I'm concerned, 10 years isn't long enough to keep them out.
If the President didn't want this to be an Amnesty of any sort, he could have limited the extension only to those foreign nationals who had entered the United States legally. As shown on the link above, Bush proposed no such limit.
That's because President Bush dearly wanted an Amnesty, just in time for this week's visit with Mexican President Vicente Fox..
Sorry, young lady, but that is really some starry-eyed nonsense. Your source is having some credibility probs right now as well, in case you didn't know.
Every treacherous move Bush makes can't be explained away as some brilliant "strategery" of his aimed at destroying the hapless dems. Anyone with both eyes open should be able to see that Bush is as Uncle Bill's post describes him.
Describing your elders as "the sky is falling types" is pretty disrespectful of you, too. Observing that a sitting president isn't what his followers swear he is can hardly be called Chicken Little behavior.