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To: ATR
The vast majority of these people will have a family sponsor.

Which is a well-known fraud technique. Also, corporate sponsors are not as hard to get as you might think....

Gee, why dont you just admit your against any immigration and its not this bill that you are against.

150 posted on 03/19/2002 11:12:27 AM PST by Dave S
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To: Dave S
Gee, why dont you just admit your against any immigration and its not this bill that you are against.

Exactly.

152 posted on 03/19/2002 11:19:11 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dave S
Gee, why dont you just admit your against any immigration and its not this bill that you are against.

Aren't you projecting a little? Maybe A LOT! When I first read this I thought it was something that came out of Bill Press' mouth. From what I have seen of your propaganda, and that's what it is, anyone that is against illegal immigration is against all immigration. Projecting an opposing argument to the extremes is one of the oldest propaganda tricks in the book. It also symbolizes the desperate tactics of someone that can’t successfully argue their case using compelling reason and facts.

176 posted on 03/19/2002 11:58:33 AM PST by WRhine
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To: Dave S
OK, I'll "admit it". I have no reason to make "it" a secret. I am against our out of control immigration system. But I am not against ALL immigration. I am against uncontrolled mass immigration and unsecured borders. I am FOR better immigration.

Legal immigration has been at the highest levels in history for the past decade. This is a known fact. No one's quite sure how much illegal immigration there has been, but the census department thinks there are 8-11 million illegal aliens in this country today. That means around 3.5% of the population are foreign nationals with no permission to be in the US. That's a lot. And its easy to confirm that basically anyone can walk into the country over the southern or northern border, or land at the airport and falsely claim political asylum and walk away.

All this means that we are headed for a serious overpopulation problem. The America that welcomed ~10 million immigrants in 1900-1910 had a population of less than 90 million. Today we have a population of 289 million, with the same habitable land area. And in 1990-2000 our population grew by 32.3 million - the most in history - mostly attributable to large-scale immigration:

http://www.numbersusa.com/overpopulation/news010301cs.html

It also poses a real threat of cultural and political balkanization. This country has traditionally been able to assume a fairly stable cultural base, which kept the population cohesive. We didn't have problems like Canada with their French-speaking province, or the former Yugoslavia with their disastrous mix. We had the historical melting pot and it seemed to work. But the incoming numbers in the past 10+ years have been so huge that the melting pot has overflowed and is not up to the task. At the current rate there is a serious future risk (IMHO) of the American identity being overwhelmed and broken apart.

And - it should go without saying - the fact that our immigration/border control system is totally incapable of keeping track of what's going on means that we will all be vulnerable to terrorists until the system is fixed. I am NOT saying terrorists = immigrants!! But these are issues that share similar causes. One implication of this is that as long as we can't even come close to keeping terrorists out, the gov't will impose an increasingly oppressive police state to make the sheeple feel safe.

I am for reduction of legal immigration to less than 200,000 per year. I am for stopping illegal immigration. And I am for sound and credible borders to protect us.

178 posted on 03/19/2002 11:59:01 AM PST by ATR
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