AMNESTY by BUSH - The Truth about Section 245(i)

March 19th, 2002 | Compiled by Sabertooth

[Sabertooth]

Going about it this way, is faster and cheaper than Having that Crack Staff at the INS going after them to deport them, only to have them return.

This problem was exacerbated by the previous administrations rush just before '96. THAT WAS THE SENT MESSAGE that created this mess.

The problem is exacerbated by bipartisan malfeasance in the form of surreptitious Amnesties and failure to deport Illegals from the Interior.

Fixing it requires one of two things, documenting them, and making them LPR, or CATCHING them, Deporting them, and then Probably documenting them.

The INS is barely capable of the first. They are not Capable of the second.

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They Will
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[skeeter]

Thanks for making a hash of the opposition on this topic.

Though I'm sure they have the best of intentions, I just can't understand why amnesty boosters don't see the grave implications of what they are supporting.

[hobbes1]

2 Things. One the courts will never allow it. (ESPECIALLY WHERE YOU ARE!)

And Secondly, wrongfully or rightfully, that is far too dangerous an area to encourage the Government to tread. Look at NYC. Seizing Cars, for solicitation, or DUI....???

[over3Owithabrain]

I just want to point out yet again to dane and the other Bush-amnesty defenders that it isn't only Byrd that opposes this, so quit playing the racist card. Many, many honest GOP congressmen and the majority of Americans think Bush is out to lunch on this one.

[ATR]

And please show me any quote where Bush says, everybody come to the US. Just one

Oh, please! Have you been paying any attention at all to Bush's position on this issue? The man is VERY pro-immigration. Below are just a few quotes:

"We ought to increase legal immigration for our country's advantage. The high-tech world we are now dominating is dependent on educated folks, but we're short...of workers. It is to our nation's advantage to encourage high-powered, smart people to come into our country." (Iowa Gazette, Jan. 6, 2000)

"I intend to reform the INS to make it more welcoming to immigrants." (National Review Online, June 27, 2000 - Address to League of United Latin American Citizens)

"People [in the INS] ought to be asking 'How can I help you, what can I do to help you fill out paperwork? We ought to be saying loud and clear to people that the INS is to help families and to help people understand the maze of rules and regulations." (Washington Times, June 27, 2000 - Address to Congress of Racial Equality)

"Immigration is not a problem to be solved. It is a sign of a confident and successful nation. And people who seek to make America their home should be met in that spirit by representatives of our government. New arrivals should be greeted not with suspicion and resentment, but with openness and courtesy." (July 10, 2001 - Speech at INS Naturalization Cermony, New York City)

[RickyJ]

And it's not, it was directed at about 200,000 people to reunite families...

Baloney! Go read the bill for crying out loud!

Bushbots are just like the Clinton whores. UNBELIEVABLE!

[Sabertooth]

ping

[Dane]

"We ought to increase legal immigration for our country's advantage. The high-tech world we are now dominating is dependent on educated folks, but we're short...of workers. It is to our nation's advantage to encourage high-powered, smart people to come into our country." (Iowa Gazette, Jan. 6, 2000)

What's wrong with that. I guess you would have said no to Carnegie, Einstein, the guy who started Intel(his name escapes me) and a whole host of other people who made America great.

Oh BTW, he is stating "legal immigration". And I thought you all were just against illegal immigration?

So I am correct when I say that you all are anti-immigrant.

[PRND21]

What amnesty?
That was Reagan.

[TheHeterodoxConservative]

"There are 2 million Illegals in my county."

I'm not doubting you, but I'm curious where you get a statistic like that. If you look at the official 2000 Census figures (which is supposed to include illegals as well as legals) there are only a total of 3 million foreign-born people in LA county. Are 2/3 of them illegals, or did the census miss that badly?

[Sabertooth]

What amnesty?

That was Reagan.

You get points for begging the question with at least an accurate aside.

Reagans' was a blanket Amnesty (the last Amensty, we were promised). This isn't.

But it's an Amnesty for a targeted group of Illegals, nonetheless.

I've seen you state both by private Freepmail and in the Forum that you want Illegals deported. Has that changed?

[Dane]

ATR saying to Andy Grove(founder of Intel), whose company's microprocessors run about 80% of the computers that people on FR use to communicate.

"Sorry Andy, you are not welcome, you are a dirty immigrant."

[oldvike]

I think I'm starting to "get it" now. Thanks for your help the other day.

[Sabertooth]

did the census miss that badly?

Yep.

Even the "official" numbers on Illegals are rising as fast as Gray Davis' budget deficit.

And consider this: Doesn't the Federal Government have a conflict of interest in being trusted to report the actual size of the Illegal population, given their complete bipartisan failure to deal with the foreign scofflaws?

[Free the USA]

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[TheHeterodoxConservative]

I'm not trying to sound argumentative, but where does your estimate come from? In other words, where's a more reliable source of information? I'm sure that people concerned about the problem have done some sort of independent analysis. Do you have any links?

[Howlin]

It will really be nice when we all get our papers to carry everywhere we go.

And I bet I can guess exactly WHO will be complaining abut THAT!!!!

[ATR]

Oh BTW, he is stating "legal immigration". And I thought you all were just against illegal immigration? So I am correct when I say that you all are anti-immigrant.

These were a set of quotes to show that he is pro-immigration, generally. And at various times Bush speaks out for both high levels of legal immigration and, using codewords, legalizing illegal immigrants. He also speaks out AGAINST strengthening control of the borders.

You are not correct when you say I am anti-immigrant. I am married to an immigrant. I cannot speak for everyone on this thread, but I will suggest that most are against MASS-immigration. This encompasses a number of things: 1)historically huge numbers of legal immigrants 2)uncontrolled illegal immigration and 3)unsecured borders. These issues translate into problems such as

1) threats to national security
2) depressed wages for lower income workers
3) long-term environmental impact from future overpopulation
4) cultural and political balkanization
5) very large social welfare costs from outright welfare expenses(AFDC, food-stamps, etc.), unpaid hospital costs, public school overcrowding and the need for publicly-funded special-ed programs for immigrant children
6) Epidemiological public health concerns

All of these claims are fully documented and prove-able. It is rational and forward-looking to raise these types of concerns in public debate. It is not because we hate immigrants. Quite simply, immigration policy is national destiny.

[Dave S]

HUD assistance, WIC/food stamps, free medical, etc. THIS IS CORPORATE WELFARE AND THE MAIN MAGNET DRAWING THESE PEOPLE INTO THE USA. This whole scam allows big and small businesses to EVADE their fair share of taxes and amounts to another tax on us suckers in the form of higher and higher medical premiums.

Huh? What are you ranting about? Corporate welfare? Since when are corporations required to provide any of these benefits. What are you a labor agitator trying to cause trouble? Get back to Democrat boards.

[Dave S]

What specifically does inspected by INS mean? Are you sure of that? Proof?