4 Top Officials on Immigration Are Replaced

The NY Times ^ | March 16, 2002 | By ERIC SCHMITT

[anniegetyourgun]

I suspect those don't require "special permission" to terminate.

[Valin]

BUT WAS ANYONE FIRED? So, they rearranged the deck chairs on the Titanic. If no one got fired, they didn't really mean it.

My question also.
Amazing how great minds think alike.

[zog]

--I think this nation needs an entire makeover, not just the INS. First would be a total ban on 'career' employment. I'm serious. Term limits in a way. I would say ten years total cumulative is plenty "government service", then no pension, last check, good bye, back to private sector. there's zero incentive to do anything productive in government by the employees. Zero. Nada. So it don't happen, it just gets worse and worse.

That would probably do more than the 2-4-6 years reshuffling of the politicians. Put them on 10 years cumulative max, too, same as any other employee.

[mware]

I didn't notice them mentioning from what administration these officials were hired under.

I think I recall from another article somewhere that at least one of them was hired by Clinton Administration.

[cynicom]

vann...

Someone should tell Mr. Ashcroft that there are many in DOJ/FBI that need firing. He wont do it, not a soul will be fired.

[sarasmom]

I would agree with you if you limited the term limits to politicians and civil servants.The military already has its own form-discharge at 19 years so veterans dont collect pensions.

Except for the military,I believe what would really work is the same "at will" job security we enjoy in Florida.(I cant speak for other States)You can be "terminated" for no particular reason and you can resign for the same.Is that how your job works?

I dont believe anyone should get a free ride. If privately employed people dont perform the job they were hired to accomplish, then they should be fired.

If federal,state,or local government employed people dont perform the job they were hired to accomplish, then they should be fired.

If government employed people are not allowed to do the job they were hired to accomplish,the political appointees and/or politicians who obstruct them should be fired.Seems to always point back to politicians as the problem.We get what we vote for.

[ZDaphne]

Don't know how to post articles (yet) but someone needs to go to today's Fresno Bee home page (newspaper in California) and post the article entitled "Tax Refund Scheme Based In Valley" and note that the persons who defrauded the IRS to the tune of an estimated $1.5 million are, YES, you guessed it--all Mexicans. Gee, I wonder if they're here legally.... Thanks to anyone who can post this article for me.

[CyberAnt]

"REASSIGNED"

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?? DOES IT MEAN THAT WE NOW HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THIS INCOMPETENCE IN ANOTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCY???? Give me a break!!

[zog]

--most definetly I am in the private sector and could get sacked. heh. And there's no reason for these high level g-whatever civil servants to just get shuffled around when they don't perform, they need sacking if appropriate.

[Texasforever]

Someone should tell Mr. Ashcroft that there are many in DOJ/FBI that need firing. He wont do it, not a soul will be fired.

John Ashcroft must get congressional approval to fire anyone. That was from the Washington Times last night. He is scheduled to go before Congress next week to have that insanity overturned.

[Texasforever]

From the article:

In a letter to Representative Frank R. Wolf, a Virginia Republican who heads the House Appropriations subcommittee overseeing immigration matters, Mr. Ashcroft said that "it is essential that I have the authority to quickly discipline or terminate individuals for acts of negligence, mismanagement or disregard for Department of Justice policies."

A committee spokesman said the committee was sympathetic to Mr. Ashcroft's request but would review any proposal "to make sure they can't fire anyone willy-nilly."

[PatrioticAmerican]

The old "shuffle them around" routine. Just keep moving until people loose interest.

[PatrioticAmerican]

FReeped. 95% - NO! This question is a lie: "To reduce terrorism...". It assumes an electronic ID will do that, which it won't.

[ThinkNot]

"4 Top Officials on Immigration Are Replaced"

They should have been arrested!
And others also and all charged with misfeasance and malfeasance in office.

[sarasmom]

If WE,as a country, valued honor and integrity,there would be no problem.This is not the case,however.Consider a recent example-the infamous Mike Tyson banned from boxing in "sin city"Las Vegas-AOK for DC.

Do WE laugh or cry?

I am as guilty as everyone else of being so focused on my day to day personal life, that the conduct of MY government tends to get lost as something out of my controll.It is not.WE all have to take back controll of our lives.OUR country was founded on the idea that it was OUR lives, not up to powerfull "others".

In this country, unique in all the world, WE have no excuse for the incompetancy of our government.WE are the government.WE can fool ourselves into believing that some vast uncaring "they" are in controll, but it is our own complacency that has allowed the current situation to develope.It is not some "other" omnipotent party or lobby in controll, it is our own individual neglect.

WE, the people, could even outlaw lawyers, should WE care too.WE, the people could kick the UN out tomorrow if WE wanted.WE are just too fragmented and satiated to pay attention to another responcibility.

I am just as guilty as everyone else.But if WE dont wake up now,and start taking on the duties that keeps OUR freedoms, will WE get the chance later?

[o_zarkman44]

There are too many UNELECTED officials with TOO MUCH POWER who dictate policy, or the lack of policy. Being a government employee should not be a tenured position. As those same government employees are employed by the taxpayer, then they should also be FIRED by the taxpayer.

When our government makes a mistake, reassigning people, and then formulating new policy or rules is just a smokescreen to take the pressure off the back of bureaucrats. Each "new and improved" rule or law is intended to cover up incompetence and give Americans the appearance that something is going to be done to correct the problem, which always becomes worse.

The problems in the INS start at the top. A lack of resolve at the top to do the job, and do it well trickles down to the bottom. I think the head of the INS should be replaced (fired) and so should the other inept employees. In my employment, if you cant do the job, you are fired. No if's ands or buts about it. Is the new government standards of employment set up to reward incompetence? Certainly seems to be a lot of incompetent people who work for the government. Guess that answers our question.

[CWRWinger]

RE: Post #4

It seems that once a person is hired into this very special 'club' (at taxpayers' expense), the only way to get fired would be to drive into a government parking lot with a Confederate Flag plate on the front of the car.

[cynicom]

Texas....

Ashcroft can fire anyone he likes, right now. The permission from congress would eliminate the right of redress from anyone that is fired. With the permission from congress, theoretically, he could clean house. However that will not be done. Ashcroft is not the man for the job.