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To: Diamond
Close.

God plays no part in my life. He doesn't talk to me. I don't talk to him. I don't seek his advice. I don't claim to know anything about him. And I distrust the claims of religions great and small to special knowledge.

Anyone who follows, even casually, explorations on the frontiers of science knows that every day the universe grows larger, smaller, and stranger. I don't even speculate on what that says about the nature and/or existance of God.

Returning to the morality of abortion. I don't want to live in a world full of unkempt, unhealthy, untutored, uncivilized, and unwanted bas***ds. My experience is that they are nothing but trouble as youngsters and even worse as adults. My concern is to prevent them from entering this world. Most of the time I am pretty humane but there are times when barbaric solutions seem just fine. Is that morality? I leave it to you.

422 posted on 03/29/2002 12:08:48 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
...I distrust the claims of religions great and small to special knowledge.

So do I. It's a good thing to be skeptical about gnostic religious claims. If you will indulge me an aside, being the season that it is, one of the reasons I believe as I do is that the major validation of my belief is not some sort of religious claim of special knowledge, but an event in space/time history. It is the historical claim of eyewitnesses that a man walked out of his grave. I repeat: That claim is NOT a religious claim. Knowledge of that event is available to anyone who bothers to look at the historical evidence, which I think is sufficient to convince a reasonable person beyond doubt that it actually occured.

Anyone who follows, even casually, explorations on the frontiers of science knows that every day the universe grows larger, smaller, and stranger. I don't even speculate on what that says about the nature and/or existance of God.

I agree. But I would contend that your intuitive knowledge of morality (you cannot help but make moral judgments about things) are evidence that you already have knowledge of God. You already know Him through his moral law and through what he has made, although you may not acknowledge it as such.

Returning to the morality of abortion. I don't want to live in a world full of unkempt, unhealthy, untutored, uncivilized, and unwanted bas***ds.

Neither do I.

My experience is that they are nothing but trouble as youngsters and even worse as adults.

Yes, although it's impossible for us to predict who will turn out which way.

My concern is to prevent them from entering this world. Most of the time I am pretty humane but there are times when barbaric solutions seem just fine. Is that morality? I leave it to you.

Well, as I said before, if they are already in existence then they are already 'in the world'. The only thing I can say here is reiterate that if there is no God then there will be no difference between humane and barbaric in the first place. There will be no differnce between cutting up a baby and cutting one's fingernails. There will be no real morality. There will be only power and ultimate extinction, and there will be no logically consistent way to say that such a world or anything in it is evil, or that it ought not to be that way.

Cordially,

423 posted on 03/30/2002 7:00:45 AM PST by Diamond
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