Please permit me a tag-on here, even thought I think Hajman has taken your statements at face value and answered you in #373 and #374 with his customary grace, precision and inexorable, unassailable logic.
(Donning flame retardant attire here optional. This is going to hurt me more than it hurts you.) I'm venturing back through the cyber looking-glass, but your statement that it is worse to bring a fetus into this world - [because it] results in more misery and death - than the opposite is a statement that is not even connected with reality. Bless your heart, liberallary, but is it not self-evident to you that lives-in-being, by definition, are already IN the world? If they did not have existence in the world it would not be 'necessary' to hire an abortionist to kill them by poisoning them or by cutting them to pieces in utero, would it? Good God, man! Listen to yourself!
(sigh) I don't know. I am almost speechless (something for which, were you a religious man, you would no doubt be in fervent prayer) but how in the world is killing human beings in utero supposed to reduce 'misery and death' more than not killing them?(!) Such assertions are absurd and self-refuting on their face, and I cannot see how in them your subsequent use of the word 'evil' is not rendered utterly meaningless.
The fact is, dear FRiend (and I hope these words burn into your soul) each and every human being has the same intrinsic dignity and worth that you do, no matter what the accidents of their development or their functional abilities. That is the blazing light of that glorious self-evident truth proclaimed in Declaration of Independence. I hope your eyes will be opened to see it. < /rant >
Cordially,
It's always a pleasure to argue with a civilized person - no sarcasm intended. We - you, I, and Hajmon - are not done yet. Perhaps we are getting to the most interesting part.
Unfortunately, you'll have to wait for my comments. I want to do this as well as I can and - at the moment - am otherwise occupied.
My apologies.