Murder is murder you say. But law books - and religious texts - are filled with subtleties you choose to ignore. There are times when killing is justified, when it is accidental, when it is necessary, etc.
If you had been paying attention to the arguments - instead of self-righteously ranting - you would have seen that there's a real dispute on at least two issues;
l) When a fertilized egg becomes a person
2) How to deal with unwanted pregnancies - because realistically abstinance is not a practical contraceptive. It hasn't ever worked and there's no reason to believe it ever will. (Now that statement has only one possible sensible meaning - but for you I'll explain: most people will not abstain)
Most of my argument dealt not with abortion but with Constitutional issues. I only made my point of view known when JWalsh asked me about it. I pointed out that - realistically - liberals and conservatives will never give up their beliefs so that for the health of our society it was necessary to find a workeable compromise. I proposed one.
You seem to have entirely missed everything. So, now that I've made it clear, what's your solution? Let me guess - more ranting. More nonsense about evil liberals. Refusal to even consider compromise. If I'm correct then we're back to medievil solutions - or Stalinist solutions.
Do you know the difference between "killing" and murder? I do. It seems your equating killing and murder to mean the same thing, its not.
Kill. "To deprive of life ; to destroy the life of an animal or person. The word homicide expresses the killing of a human being."
Murder. "The unlawful killing of a human being by another with malice aforethought , either express or implied."
Aforethought. "Thought out beforehand; premeditated."
The model Penal Code definition is as follows: "Criminal homicide constitutes murder when: (a) it is committed purposely or knowingly; or (b) it is committed recklessly under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to the value of human life."
Since everything has to be explained twice to a liberal, I'll give you an example.
Lets say someone is breaking into my home in the middle of the night. I wake up a hear the sound of breaking glass or some other noise in my home. I get up, grab my 44 mag from my bedside table and go to investigate (I know liberals believe I shouldn't have the right to "keep and bear arms" but, that's your problem. I have the God given right and I'm gonna exercise it). Anyway. I go out into the living room and there's some thief in there rummaging through my stuff. I yell stop, freeze, whatever as I turn on the light (to make sure its not my wife, kids whatever). The thief turns and comes at me with a knife or turns to shoot me and I shoot him and he dies. Question. Did I kill him?, yes I did. Did I murder him?, no I didn't.
I yell stop / freeze and he turns and jumps out the window or runs out the front door and down the street. I give chase and as I'm running after him I shoot him in the back and he dies.
Question. Did I kill him?, yes I did. Did I murder him?, YES.
Now Mr. liberal pay close attention to this. The difference between the two is simple. In the first scenario my life was in immediate danger while the second scenario it wasn't. That's the difference between "killing" and "murder"
Its the same thing with abortion.
Abortion is premeditated homicide or murder. The abortionist knows beforehand that he / she is killing that baby willingly and purposely.
"l) When a fertilized egg becomes a person." Don't you mean Human being?
From the moment of conception. Why do I say that?, simple. If left alone to develop, what will that fertilized egg become?
Now if it were a crap shoot and one out of every 1,000 fertilized egg were to become a human being and all the others were, monkeys, bears, chickens, etc., than one would be justified in asking that question "When a fertilized egg becomes a person." but, since every single one of those fertilized eggs at the end of 9 months (sometimes sooner, sometimes later) are human beings and not chickens or monkeys or?
Conception "The of pregnancy. As to human beings, the fecundation of the female ovum by the male spermatozoon resulting in human life capable of survival and maturation under normal conditions."
"2) How to deal with unwanted pregnancies..."
Its called birth control. Its called abstinence. Its called (now here's one you liberals will NEVER adhere to) personal responsibility. Unwanted pregnancies can be avoided. How do you avoid crashes while cruising down the road, your careful. By your reasoning (or lack there off) maybe we can avoid more accidents if the one who is at fault at the scene was executed on the spot, thus removing the careless "driver" from the roads. But that can't be equated with abortion can it because the child is INNOCENT.
" Most of my argument dealt not with abortion but with Constitutional issues."
It's gone way beyond that.
" for the health of our society..."
You believe these united States are a democracy, don't you? Where people don't have individual rights, but collective rights.
"...workeable compromise..."
When it come the the choice of an INNOCENT child losing its life because it has become inconvenient, you damned right I won't "compromise" .
Hey granny's become inconvenient. All she does is sit around the house and consume food, make a mess. She's become a useless eater. Maybe we should execute help her move on with some poison in her tea. Hey grandpa is still in that old age home. Maybe we should gp put him out of our misery, whatta ya think?
"I proposed one."
Yeah, cold blooded murder.
"Stalinist solutions." Stalin murdered millions, and your proposing the same.
You seem to have entirely missed everything."
You to want to justify abortion correct?