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To: WOSG
", the 'right' to kill a fetus is quite an unusual one"

You always use the word "kill". How can you kill something that can't live on its own? It's not really alive, it requires the help of another's life, until it achieves independence.

An abortion doesn't have to kill the fetus, just remove all life support that is not autonomous. If it can't sustain its own life after that, it dies of natural causes.

223 posted on 03/16/2002 2:42:08 PM PST by H.Akston
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To: H.Akston
An abortion doesn't have to kill the fetus, just remove all life support that is not autonomous. If it can't sustain its own life after that, it dies of natural causes.

Ridiculous.

227 posted on 03/16/2002 3:01:07 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: H.Akston
Me: ", the 'right' to kill a fetus is quite an unusual one"

You: You always use the word "kill". How can you kill something that can't live on its own? It's not really alive, it requires the help of another's life, until it achieves independence.

I am merely speaking the truth, from a biological and legal perspective. Biology tells us the pre-born are both human and alive. Ending life wilfully is known as "killing".

All living things depend and are sustained by their environment. The preborn have an environment, it happens to be the womb. Most certainly the pre-born human IS alive. Just as a caterpillar is alive before becoming a butterfly, the preborn is in adifferent state of development during its neonatal life than after birth, but is living nevertheless. It has a hearbeat by 8 weeks gestation, brain waves by 12 weeks gestation, and into 20-25 weeks, studies have observed REM sleep patterns in preborn humans. The things we consider part of our living existence, primarly THOUGHT as well as movement, exist in the preborn human.

Simply because the preborn depends on its environment makes it no less alive than tropical fish that depend on a fishtank or coral reef. Take them on dry land, they die. As for depending on another's life - ALL parasites and co-dependent living organisms fall into this class. Yet you say they are not living. How can you be so sure? There are microscopic mites living in your eyebrows that depend on you - they are alive. so are the bacteria in your gut. so is the remora fish on a shark. co-dependency exists between the termite and the cellulose-digesting bacteria in the termite's guts. BOTH are alive and are independent living organisms. Lions, kings of the savanna would die quickly if you took away their environment, and the zebra and antelope they eat to live. We too would die if our sources of life support, our food and water, were taken away. So how "independent" are we really then, that merely depriving us of H2O would kill us off? How alive?

The unborn human is most definitely alive. "It's not really alive"? Well a state of total dependency surely isnt such a great life, but go to a nursing home full of helpless dependent elderly and ask the patients - are you alive? - what do you think they'll say?

254 posted on 03/16/2002 6:26:58 PM PST by WOSG
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