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To: Jim Robinson
Well there is absolutely nothing stopping anyone from creating a viable third or fourth or fifth party. All you have to do is come up with the greatest idea since sliced bread and then convince millions of people to abandon their old "mafia" parties and join up. Nothing to it. You'll have majority control over the Senate in no time and then you can change all the rules.

Not that easy to do, especially since the 2 Parties have arrogated the unConstitutional power to grant favors and preferences to their chosen groups in exchange for votes and money. Their ability to enact unConstitutional statutes is little different from the King permitting the peasants to bring their requests to their Master in exchange for property or service to the King. A good example of this lies in the way our illegal Tax Code functions. The Parties can submit legislation that gives a tax benefit or exemption to one American citizen (or group) at the expense of another American Citizen. Yet the Constitution mandates that all taxes be "uniform" and none can be based on one's productivity (income).

This is only one example, however. Because the government is allowed to operate unConstutitionally, it can operate as a King -- doling out favors, privileges, benefits, etc. Thus, to participate in the system, individuals and groups must organize and offer money, votes, and quid pro quo arrangements to their Party in order to be the beneficiary of the government's omnipotence.

Any new or principled Party, who might be reluctant to participate in this illegal and corrupt process would have little chance of making inroads into the existent power structure. There is no doubt, a power monopoly can oppress and even eliminate its competition. After all, that's what monopolies do.

871 posted on 03/14/2002 2:59:16 PM PST by BillofRights
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To: BillofRights
"Not that easy to do, especially since the 2 Parties have arrogated the unConstitutional power to grant favors and preferences to their chosen groups in exchange for votes and money."

Yeah, well, that was their greater than sliced bread idea. Now you gotta do them one better. Come up with a better idea, then get millions of people to join you and you've got a viable party. How else can you do it?

874 posted on 03/14/2002 6:31:07 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: BillofRights
Those dirty Republicrats Just for the moment let’s accept that the various 3rd parties main goal is smaller government and the reason they hate the GOP is that the Republicans are no different than the Democrats regarding the size and scope of the Federal Government. Starting from that premise let’s review the reality of the last 10 years staring with the first Clinton term in which democrats held both the executive and legislative branches of the government.

First out of the bag was Clinton’s demand that Gays be allowed to openly serve in the military. It was the Republicans, in the minority, that stopped that fiasco dead in it’s tracks.

Next came Hillary Care. The largest expansion of Government since the New Deal. Once again the Minority Republicans aborted this monstrosity. Do they get credit from the 3rd parties? I think the answer is obvious.

Once the American people saw the consequences of having total control of the Government by the liberals they gave both Houses to the Republicans. To hear 3rd parties tell it the Republicans took this golden opportunity and just sat on their thumbs , or worse yet acted more like Democrats than Democrats. But once again you need to look at the reality

First there was that little thing called the “Contract with America”. Do any 3rd parties ever mention that? It consisted of 10 items 8 of which were pushed through congress over the steady howls of the Media and Democrats. The most important of those 8 items were the “End of Welfare Entitlement”, and the “balanced Budget requirement”.P> The ending of welfare was the greatest reduction of domestic spending in history. Does that not count for advocating smaller government and doing something about it? I guess not to a 3rd parties.
The Balanced Budget requirement led directly to the surpluses we have now and hopefully in the future given the economic expansion since the mild recession in 1992 and the now extinct 2001 recession..
Then the democrats made somewhat of a comeback in 1996 and Clinton decided to flex his muscles a little by another little gem the “patients bill of rights”. It was not the democrats that stopped it was once again those “Republicrats” as the 3rd parties like to call them..
But the “Columbine Massacre” gave the democrats and Clinton another opening on gun control. An entire flurry of draconian gun control bills were put forward in the congress and once again it was Republicans that stood up and took the “bullet” from the soccer moms and the media and made sure those bills never passed out of committee. But I guess 3rd parties can’t believe a Republicrat could ever stand with the Constitution.

As to the Republican “cowardice in pursuing Bill Clinton the CROOK. I guess the 3rd parties forget a little thing called IMPEACHMENT! Yes a few Republican Senators did not do their duty, but 90% of them did, I am sure you can find 10% of “3rd parties” that would have voted not to remove also.

3rd parties take an almost perverted pleasure in pointing out to Republicans that they have been duped. I would have to say that 3rd parties are the ones being duped by their perpetual candidate. He knows he will never be elected but if every Brigadier gives him just one dollar a year to write his angry rants and pretend to campaign once every 4 years, that five hundred grand a year makes a pretty comfortable lifestyle. Pat Buchanan caught on to this very quickly.

Now we are 14 months into the first term of a Republican president in an election the likes of which we have never seen before and according to all the “experts“ installed the first 1st term lame duck with NO political power at all. In his first week in office, Bush nullified 6 Clinton Executive orders and put all of them on indefinite hold.
In the first two months he told the EU to go to blazes on the Kyoto accords that would have raised the cost of doing business a minimum of 20% for every company in the United States which in turn would have been passed directly to each and every one of us in the form of price increases on every item we purchase. He then itold the senate that he would NOT sign the ridiculous “ergonomics“ regulations that would have added another 10% cost of doing business and resultant pass through to us
He then pulled funding from the UN in programs that pushed abortion. He told the UN to go to blazes on their little “conference on racism” that was nothing more than a bash Israel orgy.
He then started pushing for his tax cut, and once again, the “experts” including many on this sites, started snickering. He would never get it done, but step by step he, GASP, won over enough democrats to get the EXACT tax cut he promised

Once John Ashcroft survived his Senate confirmation hearings his first action was to completely reverse the Reno DOJ stance on the 2nd ammendment from encompassing only the militia (National Guard) to the individual right to bear arms of all law abiding citizens.

He then started pushing for military budget increases. He was not asking for massive new weapons systems, just the funding to at least change the spark-plugs in the Humvees and to try to give our military men and women a raise that would allow them to someday fight a war without being on food stamps. Once again, the “experts” scoffed. We are at PEACE they sneered let’s enjoy the “PEACE DIVIDEND”.
Then came Sept. 11 2001, 9 months into this man’s first year of his first term. The United States of America was delivered the most stunning wake-up call in our history and all eyes turned to this “lame duck” president. The yokel from Texas. For just a brief moment the “experts” were left speechless but not Bush. What would he do? He told us quickly that he would not send a 3 million dollar missile to hit a camel in the butt. That one little Texas bit of humor cloaked a final message to the world. There is going to be hell to pay, and we are seeing the results in real time.

Now the “experts” , feeling secure again, have found their voices and it is business as usual. The left, scared to death, that 80% of this country is approving of this “boob” even when they have so very patiently tried to tell them they should not are in full throat.. Those on the right that hold themselves out to be the arbiter of all things “conservative” are once again ready to bring down this “CINO” and are completely willing to pull just enough support away to get a democrat elected in 2004. While you 3rd parties are beating up on the GOP for being Repulicrats, stop and think just exactly what would have happened in just the last 10 years had they not been there to stop the real enemy. Then stop and ask yourselves where have you been? What have you done in the last 14 months? Where are the tax cuts that you are responsible for? Where are Federal Government regulations that you have repealed? Where are the actions you have taken since 911 to make a constructive contribution to the war effort? Where have you been?

882 posted on 03/14/2002 9:35:33 PM PST by Texasforever
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