Saudi Arabia offers ``complete peace'' to Israel

AP | 3/10/02 | HAMZA HENDAWI

[Alouette]

According to Reuters and AP, the Saudi plan does incorporate "the right of return" for Arabs.

It had better be "the right of return" to Saudia, Kuwait and all the other Arab lands that kicked them out.

[eclectic]

Saudi Arabia offers ``complete peace'' to Israel

This "complete peace" is the peace of the graveyard

[Truthfairy]

With this latest statement of the Saudi peace "plan," the Arabs are demonstrating already how unreliable their promises to Israel would be. First, the "plan" came with a promise of normalized relations with the Saudis emphasizing the word "normalized." Now, the promise is merely "complete peace." If Israel is forced into this agreement, how long will it be before "complete peace" becomes "semblance of peace" and finally extermination of Israel and its Jewish inhabitants. The world of Islam has no more intention of living in peace with Israel and its Jews, than it has of living in peace with the Christians and animists of Sudan, the Catholics and Orthodox Christians of the Balkans, the Hindus of India, the Christians of Indonesia, the Christians of the Phillipines, and so on and so on in every corner of the world where Islam brushes against something different than itself.

I think that the course that Israel is on now is the best one given the constraints of Barak's legacy to Sharon and our (and Israel's) interest in establishing conditions that are favorable for toppling regimes in Iraq and Iran. Little by little, Israels actions in Gaza are reducing it to a Hobbesian state. If need be, the same will be done to the West Bank. This approach will cause Israel far less trouble than re-occupying the territories. A policy of giving the Pallies the conditions in which they will exterminate each other is a good policy.

[tet68]

Al-Faisal said Abdullah and Mubarak have spoken at length on the initiative and both sides shared alarm at "Palestinian bloodshed."

Not much concern about Israeli blood.

Screw them.

Why should Israel give up land it won during wars of Arab agression??

[airborne]

Because it's a trap, not a settlement. Israel will never be allowed to have peace. Arabs want "death to Israel" not peace.

[cardinal4]

How would the rest of the world feel knowing that the holiest city on Earth has the Crescent Moon of Allah flying over it? I dont like it one bit.The muslims IMHO are bloosthirsty thugs who couldnt care a lick about Peace in Israel.There is no way there will ever be Peace if the muslims control Jerusalem.Just my opinion.

[a_witness]

Saudi Arabia's foreign minister offered Israel "complete peace from Arab nations" in exchange for Israeli withdrawal from Arab lands and the creation of an independent Palestine with Jerusalem as its capital and will send its ambassador to the new Jewish state located in an obscure province of Poland.

Why do the Gentiles rage
And the people imagine a vain thing ?

[boris]

"This "complete peace" is the peace of the graveyard"

See my #32.

--Boris

[Savage Beast]

I see. But can't they build a wall between the Arab and Israeli sections of the city and keep the two comepletely seperate?

[Savage Beast]

Yes, I remember, back in grammar school, when Israel was established, the nation of Israel was on the west side of the Jordan River and the nation of Trans-Jordan was on the east side. The next thing I knew, Trans-Jordan had spread across the river and changed its name to Jordan. How did this happen? I've always wondered.

[Alouette]

But can't they build a wall between the Arab and Israeli sections of the city and keep the two comepletely seperate?

Have you ever lived in Jerusalem? I have. It's too mixed up. There is a street with Jews, a street with Arabs, and streets with Arabs and Jews together (Katamon). In the 1930's the British created separated ghettos, "The Jewish Quarter" "The Christian Quarter" "The Moslem Quarter" and "The Armenian Quarter" and forced all the Jews not living in "The Jewish Quarter" to move there. Then in 1948 the Jordanians chased all the Jews from "The Jewish Quarter."

The reason the Beit Yisrael district has been attacked so frequently is that it is only a few blocks from an Arab neighborhood. It is impossible to construct barriers because the neighborhoods merge with each other--there is no demarcation.

[FR_addict]

If Saudi has that much influence over all the Arab nations then they are part of the terrorism problem. Why don't they offer to stop terrorism from all Arab nations?

That's exactly what I was thinking. If they have this much influence then they have been pulling the strings all along.

[Brian Allen]

Don't they consider all of what is Israel to be Arab lands?

Of course!

[You spoilsport, you!]

Shalom Shalom

[Benjamin Dover]

Let me see...? If I simply give you lying murderers some of our land, you promise to stop lying and murdering? With your newly gained real estate, do you promise not to park your tanks even closer to our innocent citizens? Do you promise to stop all of the terrorist organizations then, that you can't seem to stop now? Do you promise not to drive us into the sea? Can you flip a switch and ensure people who are indoctrinated to kill us to stop killing us? Can you guarantee zealots from 20 hostile ARAB nations will suddenly accept Jews as congenial neighbors? Would you like for us to pay for the bullets and explosives you will use to destroy us? Will our concession resemble the Confederate Flag debate in S.C.; conceding in the name of peace only to find that some still aren't totally satisfied?

Your proposition is noble, well-intentioned and popular with the masses, but it is fatally flawed and tired. You're asking a nation the size of 2 Rhode Islands; but the 3rd most powerfull military on Earth and protected by the almighty God, to give up land to murderous, lying Jew-haters in return for promised peace? We've been down this road before. It's not in our interest to cede even one acre of a tiny nation on a promise from proven liars. In Israel, we don't let the foxes sleep in the hen houses. We've read the book. We know how it ends.

[bribriagain]

So what's your solution? More killings?

[Savage Beast]

I think the main problem is that Islam is imperialist and expansionist and that, once land is claimed for Islam, Muslims are determined never to cede it.

It's the same principle as death to apostates.

Bin Laden's followers are determined to reclaim Andalusia.

It is their plan to convert the world, one way or another--just like communism--just like Naziism. The rhetoric may be different, but they're all cut from the same old piece of cloth. Once these bloodthirsty fanatics are subdued, something just as evil will raise its ugly head.

The people of the world must be eternally vigilant, and those stupid ostriches who refuse to face reality--known in contemporary America as Liberals--are more dangerous than these fanatics. It is they who make their evil possible.

Id est, a fool is more dangerous than a scoundrel.

[dennisw]

Muderous scum ... I curse them.

[Robear]

Those pictures need to be on network news, just so the truth can be told. I am firmly convinced that the reason we DON'T see such pictures, every time, is that the networks have an agenda, and such pictures of reality are inconvenient to that agenda.

[Zviadist]

Yet another Middle East thread chock full of hatred and racism and completely devoid of anything remotely resembling analysis or thoughtful additional materials. I used to come here to learn things, not to have thugs scream in my ears. How pathetic this is becoming.

[willyone]

There has never been a Palestinian state. It is a myth. This land belonged to Jordan and they expelled the Palis. The only peace that the Saudis offer is the peace of the grave. Have you forgotten who were the main players in 9/11 and who continue to be at the center of this terrorism? I am beginning to worry that Bush is going to sell out Israel inorder to pursue his own agenda. If so he and we will regret it.