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To: Happygal
BTW..I'm an Irish girl, 30 next week, qualified journalist with over 10 years experience, and quite conservative. Do you think Dubya's gonna hand me a work permit to get into your country? No.

Your response pretty well confirms my dislike of journalists and their definitions of "conservative" (which usually means an unwillingness to rock the boat and a propensity for groupthink and political correctness, which, nowadays, means "liberal", not conservative, using the terms in their American sense). It also confirms my decision long ago not to go into journalism, or academia (a similar phenomenon of status-anxiety driven courtiers).

Nowhere in your post do you indicate whether these immigrants are legal or illegal; also on the one hand you claim that Ireland needs these qualified professional workers, and then on the other hand you claim they are either sponging off of the system or working menial jobs. Which is it? Don't blame the anti-immigration crowd because your government refuses to clean up the mess created by your immigration and social welfare laws.

Frankly, your post is one long feminine whinge about how awful things are for immigrants, and how (by implication) anyone who complains about this situation is really just a big meanie and a racist. The central thrust of your message is that immigration law should be based on what's good for the immigrants (as they define it) rather than what is good for your nation. This is a recipe for disaster, which you will be tasting of shortly.

More and more people are growing tired of the dominant elite's disdain for democracy and traditional culture, and its overweening desire to turn the world into a police state that looks like a giant version of Disney World, sans mouse ears. This kind of evasion (implying your opponent is racist) isn't going to fly in future; and Ireland is in nowhere near as bad a situation as the USA. But give it time.

2,232 posted on 03/12/2002 5:29:43 PM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
Your response pretty well confirms my dislike of journalists and their definitions of "conservative" (which usually means an unwillingness to rock the boat and a propensity for groupthink and political correctness, which, nowadays, means "liberal", not conservative, using the terms in their American sense). It also confirms my decision long ago not to go into journalism, or academia (a similar phenomenon of status-anxiety driven courtiers).

I am quite conservative in my views, but I like to think I'm not completely closed or open to other thought. I don't know you, at all so can't comment. I mentioned the fact I was a journalist, not to intimidate you with academia, nor as a means to puport that I was college educated. I'm not a smart-ass, I have a lot to learn. I learn every day. (Why the hell do ye think I check in FR, frequently?)

Nowhere in your post do you indicate whether these immigrants are legal or illegal; also on the one hand you claim that Ireland needs these qualified professional workers, and then on the other hand you claim they are either sponging off of the system or working menial jobs. Which is it? Don't blame the anti-immigration crowd because your government refuses to clean up the mess created by your immigration and social welfare laws.

Yes certainly there are problems, quite a few actually. My main problems with the laws in Ireland is that these people aren't immediately issued (once registered) with some sort of temporary work visa, so they can work in the State for six months while they are processed). At the moment, they arrive and tax-payers fund their stay (processing can take 2 years). But many are professionals, many are hard working, decent individuals wanting to eeek out a living and a life for themselves. I have NO problem with that at all. MY god, haven't all our ancestors done the same? I am Irish (a nation where I should hate Britain for being the big enemy in terms of politicism)...but I see that country as one which gave my uncles a living when they couldn't find one here...in my little green Utopia.!!! !

Frankly, your post is one long feminine whinge about how awful things are for immigrants, and how (by implication) anyone who complains about this situation is really just a big meanie and a racist. The central thrust of your message is that immigration law should be based on what's good for the immigrants (as they define it) rather than what is good for your nation. This is a recipe for disaster, which you will be tasting of shortly.

Your need to use ``feminine whinge'' shows your inability to argue. I am in an Irish household with many men who can argue to their last breath...my sexuality never came into it. (Your need to mention my sex (yeah, I know, your next post will be classing me as some sort of feminazi, which I'm not!...just grow the hell up) shows your inability of same). I have never implied you to be rascist...and I don't need to call anyone a big meanie!! (I'm not in kindergarten for Chrissakes)

More and more people are growing tired of the dominant elite's disdain for democracy and traditional culture, and its overweening desire to turn the world into a police state that looks like a giant version of Disney World, sans mouse ears. This kind of evasion (implying your opponent is racist) isn't going to fly in future; and Ireland is in nowhere near as bad a situation as the USA. But give it time.

I don't class myself as elite. Not at all. In fact I class myself as reasonably practical.
In fact, if I dare, to put it in American political terms, I'm most possibly Reaganesque. (So friggin' sue me!).

2,293 posted on 03/12/2002 6:10:20 PM PST by Happygal
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