[Joe Hadenuf]

Yes, since all the multi-millionaire politicians and VIPs have luxury estates on a bluff in Malibu, who cares about the flood of poverty and crime invading the rest of the L.A. Basin.

Not all of them live in Malibu. There are a whole lot more in Newport Beach, Palos Verdes, Corona Del Mar, Laguna Hills, Bel Air Estates, Beverly Glen, Coto De Caza, just to name a few others.

As I said, the politicians and politically connected and the rest of the rich elite have put up very tall and strong finanical fences in Southern California. They wont wallow in it like the rest of the hard working, average Americans will have to. Bet the rent.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Did you say you lived in San Diego Joe? I was there in 1980 and what a beautiful city. The weather was great, like Phoenix. You know, the Eagles were singing about California being a paradise and how it was up filling too fast. That was way back in 1976. I wonder what Don Henley and co. are saying now?

[koba]

You're right about your concept of "tall financial fences." In Palos Verdes, the cost of a 2500 sq. ft. home with an ocean view is $700,000. That's the "entry-level" home cost in Palos Verdes, not the "rich area" of Palos Verdes, where houses can cost $5 million and more.

[FITZ]

Iron bars on the windows and iron bar doors become standard ---almost mandatory in areas of high illegal immigration. Hanging clothes out on a line is just asking to lose your clothes. People will walk right into your garage if you leave it open and take off with kids bikes ---that's how it is around here.