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To: Khepera
Because he was not on the moon.

That is the point. If he wanted to convince the world of his divinity, and he was god-like in his wisdom and foresight, why not do a miracle that would provide intcontravertable eternal evidence of such by writing "Jesus was here" or "Jesus is Lord" on the face of the moon.

Point being, some say the evidence of God is all around us -- you just have to subtract the evidence of the devil first, (or evidence of 'the fall')...

As "Church Lady" says, "How convenient."

The world is imperfect for a reason. On another thread about "Intelligent Design vs. Evolution" I wrote something like the following:

"For an all-powerful creator, who put his all into the intricacies and mechanisms of creation, 40 days and 40 nights and a kabillion gallons of water make a pretty crude eraser."

Why not just fix everything by sheer miracle. Why not just *poof* everything God was displeased with.

I don't mean to be antagonistic, my opinion of religion is neutral but leans negative because of how it is consumed -- people don't clean the root before eating it, they take the clinging soil as essential to the fruit.

Like Aesops fables, the important thing is that they represent truths not that they *are* true. Religion and God are the result of concious matter ascribing purpose, affinity and divinity to itself -- as a phenomena, not as individual mini-gods. God is within, not without.

That is the type of god I can respect, understand and believe in.

67 posted on 03/06/2002 9:55:39 AM PST by mindprism.com
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To: mindprism.com; khepera
Pardon me, guys, for butting in. This is not a thread about people's issues with G-d's existence, but I wanted to add a few thoughts.

That is the point. If he [Jesus I think] wanted to convince the world of his divinity, and he was god-like in his wisdom and foresight, why not do a miracle that would provide intcontravertable eternal evidence of such by writing "Jesus was here" or "Jesus is Lord" on the face of the moon.

On the other hand, why that? If people don't believe on the basis of His resurrection from the dead, they certainly aren't going to believe based on some signeage on the moon. You are aware, aren't you, that there are people today who believe the entire moon visit was a hoax. Would people who really don't want to believe Jesus is G-d be quick to accept some astronaut's version of writing on a moon rock? It's generally not lack of evidence that stands in the way of people accepting Jesus. It's a desire to rule their own lives rather than submitting them to G-d.

"For an all-powerful creator, who put his all into the intricacies and mechanisms of creation, 40 days and 40 nights and a kabillion gallons of water make a pretty crude eraser."

Perhaps, but it was effective and it made more than one pretty powerful point. The story of Noah means nothing or less than nothing all by itself. It is part of a history and as part of a history it is powerful. You are judging, perhaps, based on what you would do if you were G-d. But I submit that you have no idea of what you would do if you were G-d because you and G-d are nothing alike.

I don't mean to be antagonistic, my opinion of religion is neutral but leans negative because of how it is consumed -- people don't clean the root before eating it, they take the clinging soil as essential to the fruit.

So, you're blaming your unwillingness to accept Jesus on what other people do? Why not go to the source, Jesus Himself, and make your decision on that basis alone?

Like Aesops fables, the important thing is that they represent truths not that they *are* true. Religion and God are the result of concious matter ascribing purpose, affinity and divinity to itself -- as a phenomena, not as individual mini-gods. God is within, not without.

That is the type of god I can respect, understand and believe in.

i.e. yourself as G-d. Why am I not surprised?

Shalom.

141 posted on 03/07/2002 6:33:18 AM PST by ArGee
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