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FBI agent stops wrong car, shoots driver in face
Baltimore Sun ^ | March 2,2002 | Tom Pelton

Posted on 03/02/2002 1:20:32 PM PST by Donald Stone

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:01 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

FBI agents searching for an armed bank robber pulled over the wrong car last night on Fort Smallwood Road in Pasadena and shot a man in the face who had no connection to the crime, authorities said.

The 27-year-old victim, whose name was not released, was flown by helicopter to Maryland Shock Trauma Center and is expected to live.

"Anytime anyone gets shot, whether it's the right or wrong person -- we are traumatized by it as well," said FBI spokesman Peter Gulotta. "This is not something that we like to see happen. The circumstances will be thoroughly investigated."


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To: rbmillerjr
You obviously landed on your head more than a few times.
221 posted on 03/05/2002 7:29:17 AM PST by Melinator
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To: harpseal
Other questions, you might ask:
222 posted on 03/05/2002 8:27:20 AM PST by SuperLuminal
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To: Travis McGee; rbmillerjr
Bump for post# 222!
223 posted on 03/05/2002 9:10:06 AM PST by maica
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To: harpseal
"Since the subject shot"

. When did suspects become "subjects"?

"yet Bozo had enough sense to set M4 to semi auto and only squeeze off one round that does not make innocent subjects head explode like a watermelon with an M80 inside?

224 posted on 03/05/2002 9:18:14 AM PST by Mikey
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To: SuperLuminal,maica,harpseal,Freee-dame
Reply #222 rebump.

Compare this to the Rodney King shooting video, which we saw on network TV news 50,000 times in the first days.

I guess our new msters are better at squelching this type of video evidence.

225 posted on 03/05/2002 9:49:10 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Mikey
A SUBJECT is one stopped for questioning or any other reason by an officer who has not yet positively identified the person as a SUSPECT. In short they knew who it was they were looking for and the guy they shot was not a suspect in any crime because he was not the guty they were looking for.

The last I heard it was not a crime to fit a description of a suspect in a crime.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

226 posted on 03/05/2002 9:50:40 AM PST by harpseal
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To: CWRWinger
give them wornout LLama's,

Llamas are nice, gentle, useful beasts of burden. Even an old and worn out llama deserves better than to be given to these Friggin' Bureaucratic Idiots.

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Oh, you meant the pistol. Sorry. Carry on....

AB

227 posted on 03/05/2002 9:54:05 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: Travis McGee
Also, don't forget the two team members who totally missed the festivities secondary to extracurrricular activities. Also, all had bullet proof vests, but only one had his on! Doc
228 posted on 03/05/2002 10:06:29 AM PST by Jane G
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To: Cap'n Crunch
Likewise on it being a long time since I saw the tape. I do remeber about the twelve bores being left in the back seat, I also remember about the Fibbie who had his primary sidearm out of its holster on the seat right before the car his car crashed as part of the stop and he never found his primary again.

All in all the Miami shootout is a textbook example of how to screw up a felony rolling surveilance/stop. it also shows that an individual who has adreneline or some drugs pumping through his or her veins may not go down immediately even if the heart is destroyed. The odds are they will be stopped but there are no death rays out there.

Stay well - stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

229 posted on 03/05/2002 10:14:12 AM PST by harpseal
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To: Jane G,harpseal
Yup, Miami was a real Charlie Foxtrot even by "Famous But Incompetent" standards.
230 posted on 03/05/2002 10:27:25 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: SuperLuminal
Regarding the two points you brought up. they are both salient and I was unaware of either. I am not in the MD area andI do not see CH 11. I had not yet seen that they had handcuffed the two people in the car and left them on the ground for over an hour with the male screaming in pain. If an officer from a large urban department did that with a wounded suspect without calling for an ambulance and paramedics he would probably be up on charges.

As for any of the Fibbies involved in this laughing and joking after the fact particularly on camera they should be collecting unemployment rather than being drawing a civil service check.

First, they obviously do not have the correct attitude for the job. They shot an innocent twenty year old. They messed him up bad. It was their screw up. Joking about almost killing a person but leaving him seriously wounded is more appropriate for a gangbanger drug dealer than a person who is supposed to be serving the citizenry of this nation. I know of men in RVN who felt bad about wasting a teenager who was firing a rifle at them.

Second, they certainly have a sense of public relations that is in the same category as Leona Helmsley's. Hey I suppose they could do something worse in a public relations sense than joking after the incident but it would probaly involve catching an infant on a bayonnet while laughing.

Today on the radio I heard the agent involved in the shooting will be trasfered to a post where it will be far less likely he will be involved in any other shootings.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

231 posted on 03/05/2002 10:31:28 AM PST by harpseal
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To: Travis McGee
I guess our new msters are better at squelching this type of video evidence

I have no idea of the skin tone of the person shot but I will hazard a guess that he was not very dark skinned otherwise Jesse Jackson would be all over this like flies converging on fresh feces.

Re: The famous but incompetent charlie foxtrot in Miami this one should probaly go down in their lore as another Charlie Foxtrot but knowing how government agencies work my guess is that the shooter will be some sort of folk hero to some of the newbies.

Stay well - stay safe - stay armed - Yorktown

232 posted on 03/05/2002 10:47:10 AM PST by harpseal
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To: harpseal
If the 20 year who was old shot in the face was named Leroy Jefferson instead of Schultz, Baltimore would be in flames right now.
233 posted on 03/05/2002 11:13:21 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: ArrogantBustard
RE: Post 227

LOL, I will "carry on".........and on.....

234 posted on 03/05/2002 3:35:03 PM PST by CWRWinger
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To: Fred Mertz
Thank goodness he's alive.

I'm in 100% agreement on this,Fred. However,it should be obvious to everybody that there is some "spin" (to put it politely!)going on here to influence people's emotions. I don't belive for a minute that they left him laying face down and handcuffed for a hour after he was shot. NOBODY is more anal that the Feebs,and I think it would be emotionally impossible for them to do something like this. It would be their nature to immediately call a ambulance,and people have a hard time going against their nature.

235 posted on 03/05/2002 7:30:09 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: Donald Stone;joanie-f;RJayneJ;mommadooo3;JeanS;harpseal;brityank
What a thrill it's going to be to have a whole new federal Department of Focus and its agents justifying their budget by shooting the most upright of our young citizens and then letting them suffer; lest we forget the tendency of the bureaucrat animal.
236 posted on 06/12/2002 7:42:09 AM PDT by First_Salute
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To: Donald Stone
If guns were less safe with police than with people, then the situation would be worse.... (sarcasm)
237 posted on 06/12/2002 7:44:32 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: sneakypete;Travis McGee;harpseal;snopercod;M Kehoe;joanie-f
A friend of mine, used to allow the F.B.I. on to his property in order to target practice. It was a way of scratching both backs, so to speak. He and his property, in turn, were afforded some "protection."

The gentlemen, repeat gentlemen of the F.B.I. were great people.

I wish I could say the same now, sneakypete; I have a more sanguine view, refreshed, as in the above case; blame the "doing the nation's business"-units created by Clinton for the purpose of directing compliance with political correctness.

238 posted on 06/12/2002 7:51:01 AM PDT by First_Salute
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To: sneakypete;Travis McGee;harpseal;TheOtherOne;M Kehoe;Travis McGee;joanie-f;snopercod;brityank...
[And then scrolling down the latest articles page at FR ...]

PC Shield for Terrorists, TownHall.com, June 11, 2002, by Paul Craig Roberts (posted by Free Fire Zone):

My Sept. 12 column predicted that the United States would prove to be too "politically correct" to be able to deal with the terrorist threat.

The admission that I was right came on June 6 from FBI director Robert S. Mueller III, when according to The Washington Times, he told Congress that fears of racial profiling did impede the FBI's terrorism investigation of Arab men.

After admitting that the FBI was too politically correct to do its job, Mueller gave Congress assurances -- to the great relief of Wisconsin Democrat Russell D. Feingold -- that the FBI "is against, has been and will be against any form of profiling." With this assurance, Mueller placed the privileged status of "preferred minority" higher than citizens' safety.

Some situations are too absurd for comment. In the name of "the war on terrorism," the U.S. government kills Muslims in Afghanistan who have never lifted a finger against the United States, but refuses to profile Muslims on its own territory who might be planning terrorist incidents.

FBI field agent and whistle blower Coleen Rowley revealed that agents in the field were alert to the flight-training activities of suspicious Middle Eastern men. Yet, headquarters not only refused to act but blocked the agents from following their judgment.

After the FBI, CIA, Immigration Service and State Department fiascos that alone made the events of Sept. 11 possible, why does any sane person think a "Homeland Security" department will provide any protection against terrorist acts?

Why assume that putting all the fools under one roof will reduce the foolery?

Most air travelers regard "airport security" as a bad joke. It is worse. It is an insult. The refusal to focus on the group to which Muslim terrorists are known to belong treats native-born citizens as the enemy and ensures the lack of security.

Pointless searches of grandmothers, young children, U.S. representatives, presidential appointees, pilots and Marine generals divert resources from security and send the message that the government has no idea whatsoever who terrorists might be.

On my last air travel, eyes rolled and heads shook when a feeble, elderly couple was selected for search. Everyone knows that these mindless, insulting searches provide no security to anyone but terrorists. Yet, the president of the United States and his Cabinet lack the wits to fire the fools who have made air travel safe for terrorists by refusing to profile.

Searches of individuals and carry-on luggage are nothing but an opportunity for petty pilfering by security personnel. Personal objects are taken from harmless people and even charms stolen from bracelets. One security idiot tried to steal a war hero's Medal of Honor because the medal is affixed with a pin. While passengers are harassed with this mindless nonsense, checked luggage and air freight are loaded without security checks.

If truth be known, nothing is done to protect passengers. The purpose of passenger searches and the no-standing rule within 30 minutes of Washington, D.C., is to protect the government from terrorists seizing control of an airliner and flying it into a government building.

Despite the terrible events of Sept. 11, the United States government continues to issue hundreds of thousands of visas to young Muslims. We have no idea who these people are and are unable to track them once they arrive on our shores. The visa process is corrupt and replete with bribes. Osama bin Laden himself could enter the United States today on a visa.

Faced with the incongruity, the U. S. attorney general has proposed fingerprinting Middle Easterners who enter on visas. Opposition has risen to this politically incorrect proposal. But the unasked question is why the United States is allowing any visas to be issued to Muslims.

If the threat of terrorism is so great that constitutional restraints must be removed from police and a new, expensive Cabinet position of "Homeland Security" must be created, why are visas issued to potential terrorists?!

Why is President Bush creating an incipient Department of Secret Police when nothing is being done to curtail the inflow of potential terrorists?

President Bush should not be surprised if millions of Americans come to the conclusion that the "war on terror" is nothing but a propaganda cover for increasing the police powers of the government over native-born loyal citizens.


239 posted on 06/12/2002 8:22:15 AM PDT by First_Salute
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