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"I trust you can prove this statement without citing the Bible?"

Sure can, and thanks for your trust.

The Bible is chock full of prophesies that have come to be, such as the decendants of Abraham being more numerous than the sand on a beach. Or Daniels' prophecies which came to pass in the age of the Selucids, or Jesus' prophecy that the temple would be destroyed.

Or how about life teachings, such as the serpent tempting Eve that she "could be like God" if she would only rebel against Him. We see the same problem today as we toy w/ cloning and in the massacre of abortion. Are we trying to be "like God", and what will be the consequences of our arrogance? Can you say brave new world should we make that fatal error once again?

The simple truth of its own existence, virtually unpolluted for 3,000 years is testament to its value. What work of Socrates or Confucious has come down to us in such a complete and uncorrupted state?

My God, man, the existence of the state of Isreal in and of itself bears witness to the book's divinety. What other people in the history of the world has been so trampled upon, dispersed and abused as the Jews and yet not only survived, but returned enmass to their ancestral homeland--after 2 millenia?

You want proof???

The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls which proved the purety of the text over the last 2,000 years is unprecedented.

Allow me to reiterate; The refusal to recognise wisdom is the definition of a fool.

cracker, if I may.....
Pietro...What part of "without citing the Bible?" do you not understand. With your first line, you begin using it as a reference.....
"The Bible is chock full of prophesies that have come to be" Have you ever heard of a self-fulfilling prophesy? Can you give an example of a prophesy made in the Bible, where the evidence can be supported OUTSIDE the Bible?
"The simple truth of its own existence, virtually unpolluted for 3,000 years is testament to its value."
Which version are you speaking of" King James, New king James Version, or even the Textus Receptus? Not to mention contemporary writtings that were deemed not worthy to be part of the Bible at the Council of Trent.
"My God, man, the existence of the state of Isreal in and of itself bears witness to the book's divinety."
Does that mean the Bible wasn't valid before 1948?
Oldcats

The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls which proved the purety of the text over the last 2,000 years is unprecedented.

The Iliad is likewise preserved in its ancient purity. And as for predictions, every war has predictions of victory, on both sides. The winners were the ones who can then claim that their predictions were divinely inspired, but all we really know is that they won the war. And the descendants of Abraham are not quite as numerous as the sands on the beach. Not yet anyway. The re-establishment of Israel is a great historic oddity. I really don't know what to make of that one.