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To: all4one
Time to buy a bigger SUV, and buy stock in the drilling company that sets-up the first platform. I am behind any American initiative that will help get the Middle Eastern oil monkey off our back.

Those two sentences are completely in opposition to each other. The oil companies are the ones buying oil from Saudi Arabia.

The fastest and most effective way of reducing or eliminating our dependence on Persian Gulf oil would be to cut back consumption. There is no way that the ANWR can provide enough to even replace the Persian Gulf oil.

26 posted on 02/28/2002 12:12:37 PM PST by Looking for Diogenes
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To: Looking for Diogenes
The fastest and most effective way of reducing or eliminating our dependence on Persian Gulf oil would be to cut back consumption.

Why is Cutting Back On Consumption necessarily "faster" or "more effective" than Increasing Production? I suppose that in an extreme way you are correct. If we reduced our Consumption to 0 then we would immediately reduce our dependence on Persian Gulf oil. But, I don't think that's what we want to do.

There is no way that the ANWR can provide enough to even replace the Persian Gulf oil.

This is true, but I don't see how it is relevant. Why must we "replace" the Persian Gulf oil? I'd settle for giving it some competition, lowering prices, reducing their ability to blackmail us, etc.

Also, since your goal now seems to be to "replace" Persian Gulf oil, can we assume that you would favor opening ALL federally-owned lands to drilling, WHEREVER it is deemed that oil might be present?

Would you prefer to keep spilling oil in an already oil-saturated foreign land, or start spilling it in a pristine part of the US?

Who said anything about "spilling" oil? Try to keep up. We want the oil, because we use it for our economy. We don't want to "spill" it.

Also, please define "pristine". Then kindly explain to us all why it is of the utmost importance that lands remain in this mythical "pristine" state for some reason. After all it seems to me that the bottom of a volcano is "pristine". Ditto for a mudslide.

And, same goes for godforsaken frozen tundra. All of the above are "pristine", as far as I can tell. Why should we care?

Oil is important to sustain our lives and for our prosperity. It exists in underground deposits. Why not go get it? Because you have a quasi-religious attachment to land which is "pristine"? Silly, childish, dumb.

30 posted on 02/28/2002 12:34:33 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Looking for Diogenes
There is no way that the ANWR can provide enough to even replace the Persian Gulf oil.

It's not about replacing Persian Gulf Oil. The article, is the first I have seen in the popular press that correctly stated the reason.

"There is only one world market for crude oil, and the last barrel produced sets the price for all of them."

Finally, someone in Mainstream land understands the pricing mechanism of a commodity market.

As a cartel, OPEC does not decide the price of oil. They decide how much they will pump and the market sets the price. The more oil on the market, the lower the price.

37 posted on 02/28/2002 1:40:30 PM PST by Ditto
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To: Looking for Diogenes
Ahhhhh, but I want to keep the jobs in the U.S., including the automobile industry and the oil industry. If you remember the so called oil crisis of the 70's, that is when the smaller imports became popular and Americans lost jobs to foreign markets.

I'll also get a big boat to pull, so that the SUV can be justified.

39 posted on 02/28/2002 2:46:00 PM PST by all4one
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