Hijacker shot passengeron Flight 11

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | February 27, 2002 | Paul Sperry

[Dog Gone]

I have never seen an Act of Congress challenged on a basis of "bad faith."

It would be nice if they could be.

[eno_]

The law itself would not be challenged, just whether it could in practice prevent lawsuits.

[archy]

The five young Arab males sitting near to each other in First Class didn't meet the profiling characteristics, but a 21-year-old college girl and a 38-year-old wine salesman with a German background did. Hmmm...I wonder what they were profiling for. Typically, persons who pay for their tickets at the airport with cash, not having previously made a reservation; passengers without luggage; [I was a *selectee* on a Northwest flight after a previous Northwest connection had lost my bags!] passengers travelling alone from a particular airport to another *hotspot* airport such as drug courier routes; or those with ID problems:

22 0232 6F5616
UPN 112

SSSS$PASSENGER DISPLAY FLT 2754 SFO
ID PASSENGER NAME DST ADDR PTY SUR CLS TO-FLT FRMFLT 2ND
N177 * NOEL/HANK LAS NN4HXX 1 1 H HP2068 B0
FQ TVL 1-21014689034
SEQ NBR 46 SFO TO LAS
** DISPLAY ONLY ** Y N 23C GATE
HP DATA PAGE ACCEPTABLE I.D. CAT:SEC SUB:FAA
PGE:ID
1 2-11-97 --------------------------------------------- PP
2 ACCEPTABLE FORMS OF IDENTIFICATION FOR AVSEC III
3 GGSDID -------------------------------------------HP POLICY
4
5 - TO PRINT THIS ENTIRE PAGE ENTER TCTYTR/G*L
6 - WONDERING IF YOU HAVE THE MOST RECENT VERSION OF ANY
7 SECURITY DOCUMENT, FLOW CHART OR BRIEF SHEET? SEE: G DAT
8 - WONDERING WHAT/S NEW TODAY... SEE: G NEW
9 - GOT A QUESTION? MAYBE IT/S BEEN ANSWERED...SEE: G FAQ
10
11 GGTOC TO LIST THIS PAGE/S TABLE OF CONTENTS
12 GG*(WORD) TO SEARCH FOR A KEY WORD
13 GAL/(PHRASE)/ TO SEARCH FOR A KEY PHRASE
14 SEE: GGSD96-02 FOR NEW SECURITY DIRECTIVE (ALSO G*B)
15
16 WHO MUST PRESENT I.D.?
17 ----------------------
18 EFFECTIVE 7-23-96, AMERICA WEST WILL REQUIRE
19 --ALL-- CUSTOMERS (WHO APPER TO BE BETWEEN THE AGES OF
20 18 AND 60 YEARS OLD) TO PRESENT POSITIVE IDENTIFICATION
21 WHICH MATCHES THE NAME ON THEIR TICKET.
22 THIS IS WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE CHECKING BAGS. THEY MUST
23 PRESENT POSITIVE IDENTIFICATION.
24 PLEASE MAKE NOTE THAT POSITIVE IDENTIFICATION DOES NOT,
25 REPEAT /-DOES NOT-/ ELIMINATE THEM FROM BECOMING A SELECTEE
26 ALSO, FAILURE TO PROVIDE POSITIVE IDENTIFICATION WILL
27 CAUSE A PASSENGER TO BECOME A SELECTEE. FAILURE TO
28 PRODUCE -ANY- FORM OF IDENTIFICATION WILL CAUSE FOR HP TO
29 REFUSE TRANSPORTATION TO THE CUSTOMER.
30
31 THIS CHANGE IN I.D. POLICY DOES NOT ALTER THE REQUIREMENT
32 TO ASK EVERY PASSENGER THE REQUIRED QUESTION OR TO CONTINUE
33 TO POSTIVE BAG MATCH SELECTEE BAGS IDENTIFIED BY F.O.P.
34
35 ACCEPTABLE I.D. WITH PHOTO:
36 ---------------------------
37 DRIVERS LICENSE
38 PASSPORT
39 EMPLOYEE I.D. ISSUED BY COUNTY/STATE/FEDEREAL/LCL GOV/T
40 U.S. MILITARY I.D.
41
42 ACCEPTABLE I.D. WITHOUT PHOTO
43 (ID MUST BE PRESENTED WITH ANY TYPE OF 2ND I.D.)
44 ------------------------------------------------
45 IMMIGRATION GREEN CARD WITH ANY OTHER I.D.
46 VOTERS REGISTRATION CARD WITH ANY OTHER I.D.
47 SOCIAL SECURITY CARD WITH ANY OTHER I.D.
48
49 PLEASE READ ALL 3 SCENARIOS TO ENSURE THAT WE DO NOT
50 DENY TRANSPORTATION UNNECESSARILY
51 SCENARIO 1 - CUSTOMER HAS NO I.D.
52 ---------------------------------

[mrustow]

All of the links are dead.

[TigerLikesRooster]

Re #84

I am sorry that I failed to update all links when I lift the article. You may have to go to WND to access original article. But the executive summary was displayed in one of the replies in this thread.

[steve-b]

The credibility of the FAA and the U.S. government are on the line here.

Oh, well, at least the stakes are low....

[mrustow]

No problem, I just found everything at WND. I was afraid they might have pulled the article. (I'm obviously not a regular WND reader.)

[ZDaphne]

There was an incident a few years back I heard about where a guy traveling from Puerto Rico to the US had a legal gun in his carry on luggage and claimed it to customs, however, it did not show up when they xrayed his bags. The airport personnel went bonkers at their equipment/personnel failure and detained him for a short time, even though he had done nothing wrong. But here you can see that it is possible to get a gun on board a plane. I believe it could happen even today. If the man hadn't claimed the gun, they would have never known he had it.

[ravingnutter]

He is correct...a quick search reveals: Lewin, born in Denver, Colo., and raised in Jerusalem, was an officer in the Israel Defense Forces, a member of an elite anti-terrorism unit during his four years of active duty.

MIT

[afraidfortherepublic]

...inspections revealed box-cutters taped under passenger seats inside the aircraft of AA, Delta, and other carriers around the country... My colleagues found them. Inside job?

I remember reading this at the time, but I've heard nothing else since. Are they investigating this? I also rmember reading that a number of middle eastern men were sitting in the jump seats in the cockpits (as courtesy passengers) of flights that were grounded, or never got away from the gate that day. What happened to those guys? Were they apprehended and cleared?

[Fred Mertz]

It would almost make sense to me that the disciples
should be the ones to die in tragedies like this because
we are the ones who will be with God. But I've noticed
that God goes out of His way to spare us and this calls
me back to taking my purpose so much more seriously to
reach out to this world. It is sad that it took this
kind of a tragedy to bring my heart to where it needs
to be, but I am grateful to God and I want to make a
difference where I am like never before.

Suzanne Clark,
Boston, MA

I found this here: http://www.ucd.net/KNN/archive/2001/09/19/20010919_001.htm

I doubt she is the same one. Also, a SUZANNE CLARK, AGE 42 is listed as a perished passenger on Flight 77.

Thanks for flagging me to this one honway.

Could this be a hoax? I thought this was legitimate late last night when I first saw it, like you do. But now I am having second thoughts.

[TexKat]

I live in Dallas, Tx. I have to be at work at 8:00a.m. When parking my car at work Sept. 11, a little before 8 a.m., when on the radio station I was listening to, it was announced that the first plane had hit the WTO.

However, I believe it is from April through October that we spring forward by an hour. And from November through March we fall back by an hour. But I really wish that they would leave the time alone. By the time I get adjusted to it being one way, then it changes again.

This is a very interesting post, can't wait to see what happens.

[arete]

The airline and airline security don't want anyone to know that they let a gun on board because then they might be liable in court.

More likely, it is misinformation being put out by lawyers wanting to sue the airlines. The airlines screened properly as it stands and the lawyers have no case, but if a gun can be entered into the case, then the lawyers could make their case for airline responsibility. I believe that the report is false.

Richard W.

[kinganamort]

i thought it was all knives? how did they rush the cockpit, fists against guns?

[Koblenz]

Anyone seriously think that a flight attendant is going to count what seat a skyjacker was in when he shot a passenger - and in what seat the dead passenger was riding?

Flight attendants know seats pretty well. Plus, 10B may have been the last row in first class or something. But seats are probably how they refer to passengers, and she wanted to give the seat number so that the passenger could be cross-refed with the manifest. I think other stewardesses also gave out seat numbers to the ops centers.

[TigerLikesRooster]

Re #96

You just hurl yourself into cockpits. 3-4 people all at the same time. Then they can't stop everybody even with a gun. Obviously, a couple of guys took multiple bullets. Others got hold of control and brought it down to ground.

[honway]

But now I am having second thoughts.

I am as well. As pointed out by others, the times given are so far off the mark that it does make me want to question the whole document. I don't think it is a hoax, but possibly someone was passing on incorrect information. Thanks for your take on it.

[archy]

Flight attendant Jean Roger of Longmeadow,
Massachusetts, is shown in this November 1993
file photo. Roger was working on American
Airlines Flight 11.
Photo: Springfield Union News/AP

Terrorists slit throats of 2 AA flight attendants

By Paul Sperry
© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com

WASHINGTON: Terrorists who hijacked American Airlines Flight 11 out of Boston on Tuesday morning slit the throats of two female flight attendants who tried to bar them from entering the cockpit, an American Airlines employee told WorldNetDaily in an exclusive interview.

The terrorists then forced their way into the locked cockpit and commandeered the Boeing 767 to New York, where they slammed it into one of the World Trade Center towers. The flight, carrying 81 passengers, was bound for Los Angeles.

A third stewardess aboard the nine-crew flight Madeline Amy Sweeney used her cellphone, or possibly the plane phone, to alert Michael Woodward, her superviser back at Logan International Airport, about the hijacking and murders. The terrorists were armed with razor-tipped knives that looked like box cutters, she relayed.

"That was just horrific to all of us when we heard about it at about 8:15" yesterday morning, said the senior American Airlines employee, who works at Logan and said goodbye to the crew at the gate around 7:30 a.m. "We were, like, 'Oh my God, these poor girls are trying to save their captain and their plane.'"

The plane left the gate at about 7:45 a.m. and took off at about 7:55 a.m. Sweeney made her call around 8:10 a.m. or 8:15 a.m., the source says. At about 8:25 a.m., the jet turned sharply off its planned westbound flight path and headed south toward Manhattan. The jet crashed into the north World Trade Center tower at about 8:45 a.m. About 15 minutes later, a United Airlines jet sliced through the south tower.

According to the American source, the American captain, John Ogonowski, managed to key the cockpit mike, apparently without the terrorists knowing, allowing air-traffic controllers to briefly pick up their cockpit conversations. The terrorists turned off the plane's transponder, the equipment that identifies the plane and provides other information, such as whether it's been hijacked, to air-traffic controllers tracking it by radar. Ogonowski flew the plane with his first officer, Tom McGuinness.

"They were trying to clue in the tower," the airline source said.

The crew was very close, having flown the Boston-Los Angeles run together regularly, the source said.

"This was a senior crew," she said. "They've been around. A lot of them usually do that flight ?go out on Flight 11 and come back on Flight 12 [from Los Angeles]. We all knew them really well."

In fact, a couple of the stewardesses were married to American gate agents at Logan, she says.

"You know, I said goodbye to that crew at the gate," the American employee said. "I was up there talking to the girls who were doing the flight, and the crew walks by and gives us all a wave. They said, 'See you later, we're coming back on [Flight] 12.'"

"Everyone was just stunned," she said, when they learned some 90 minutes later of their ultimate fate in Manhattan.

As part of their investigation, FBI agents and Massachusetts state troopers have interviewed American Airlines employees and Logan airport workers, including custodians working the morning shift, to rule out an inside job and establish a record of all the people who were at the terminal that morning.

"It was pretty intense," said the American worker.