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To: Mensch
What is it about the thought of a common and recent African ancestor, that seems to bother you so much?

That, sir, is a softball. I have been in science my whole life and have a great deal of respect for data. When politics drives pronouncements based on contradictory data it ceases to be science. Stephen Jay Gould is the mother of all anthropology/evolution liars. They disregard contradictory evidence (and there is much).

Further, I infer from your question that you think I have an ulterior motive in lambasting this lunacy, i.e., I am a racist. You, perhaps are a liberal. Read more on the subject starting with the site I linked.

You do not sound like a mensch to me.

18 posted on 02/27/2002 8:59:02 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy
That, sir, is a softball. I have been in science my whole life and have a great deal of respect for data.

Whats that make you, a pharmacist?

When politics drives pronouncements based on contradictory data it ceases to be science. Stephen Jay Gould is the mother of all anthropology/evolution liars. They disregard contradictory evidence (and there is much).

Don't know about Mr. Gould, his research practices, or whether he's a liar, or not. I suspect you may have some shortcomings of your own regarding contradictory evidence.

Further, I infer from your question that you think I have an ulterior motive in lambasting this lunacy, i.e., I am a racist.

I didn't think you were a racist, but I had a suspicion. Glad to hear from you that such is not the case. Racist posts give credence to liberals, who wish to give this forum a bad name.

You, perhaps are a liberal. Read more on the subject starting with the site I linked.

Sorry I can't reinforce your particular prejudices, but I'd probably be considered middle right by everyone except evangelicals (no disrespect to fundementalists intended) Ideologues can also give this forum a bad name.

You do not sound like a mensch to me.

Yawn... Howcome everyone with whom I have the temerity to question, arrives at the same conclusion, stated more or less the same way? I do, or do not, agree with you hence I am, or am not, a Mensch?

26 posted on 02/27/2002 10:35:53 PM PST by Mensch
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To: Pharmboy; Mensch
Further, I infer from your question that you think I have an ulterior motive in lambasting this lunacy, One has to be very careful making inferences from questions: the question's author reveals nothing but his or her curiosity.

i.e., I am a racist. A bit extreme, wouldn't you say? One could also infer that you, like the scientists you justly criticize, may be married to an alternative idea --- such as multi-regional origin, for instance. No one has implied that you are a racist thus. Were Mensch to do so, you would be rightfully offended; he did no such thing, however.

You, perhaps are a liberal. All this is referred from Mensch's question? And, despite the contradictory evidence that he, Mensch, is spending time on this, rather than some liberal, board?

You do not sound like a mensch to me. Again, all this is inferred from a question? A respect your scientific honesty and that, as you write, you "have been in science [your] whole life and have a great deal of respect for data." It is not that often that well-trained scientists have problems with data --- it is misapplication and illogical conclusions drawn on the basis thereof that gets them in trouble.

It is sad for me to see two clearly intelligent and scientifically honest people being on the verge of calling each other names on the basis of what has not been said.

Actually, both of you look like mensches to me.

28 posted on 02/28/2002 4:07:14 AM PST by TopQuark
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To: Pharmboy
ME: That, sir, is a softball. I have been in science my whole life and have a great deal of respect for data.

YOU: Whats that make you, a pharmacist?

ME NOW: There you go again, making an INCORRECT inference. No--I am not a pharmacist, but would not be ashamed if I were one. Not only are you wrong AGAIN, but you show your prejudice agaist someone you think is not as bright as you are, or perhaps does not make as much money as you. Shame on you.

ME: When politics drives pronouncements based on contradictory data it ceases to be science. Stephen Jay Gould is the mother of all anthropology/evolution liars. They disregard contradictory evidence (and there is much).

YOU: Don't know about Mr. Gould, his research practices, or whether he's a liar, or not. I suspect you may have some shortcomings of your own regarding contradictory evidence.

ME NOW: If you do not know who Gould is then you cannot be very well read in this subject matter. The scientific method (which--if you are not schooled in science please look up) advances by looking at data and putting forth hypotheses which can be falsified by experiments. Unfortunately, much in the way of paleoanthropological data CANNOT be falsified and therefore must remain quite speculative. I do NOT ignore good data; if I did, the whole basis of my worldview and intellectual honesty would be BS. This I will not do wherever the facts take me...this is why I rail against the pc pseudo-scientists. And BTW: there is NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER that humanity emerged from Africa. What the debate about has to do with details and timing.

ME: Further, I infer from your question that you think I have an ulterior motive in lambasting this lunacy, i.e., I am a racist.

YOU: I didn't think you were a racist, but I had a suspicion. Glad to hear from you that such is not the case. Racist posts give credence to liberals, who wish to give this forum a bad name.

ME NOW: Well...merely having a problem with PC data makes you suspicious that I am a racist. Some advice: before you do that to a poster on this or any other forum, check out their other posts to see if there is a pattern. Another illustration of the scientific method of checking out an hypothesis (i.e., "suspicion").

ME: You, perhaps are a liberal. Read more on the subject starting with the site I linked.

YOU: Sorry I can't reinforce your particular prejudices, but I'd probably be considered middle right by everyone except evangelicals (no disrespect to fundementalists intended) Ideologues can also give this forum a bad name.

ME NOW: Goodness: everything gives this forum a bad name except you. Any nosebleeds atop that high horse?

ME: You do not sound like a mensch to me.

YOU: Yawn... Howcome everyone with whom I have the temerity to question, arrives at the same conclusion, stated more or less the same way? I do, or do not, agree with you hence I am, or am not, a Mensch?

ME NOW: Okay--this may be difficult for you so I will type s-l-o-w-l-y: You did NOT "question" me on facts or substance; you questioned my MOTIVES and implied a racist undertone to my post. That is acting like a liberal and therefore I assumed if it walks like a duck, etc. Have a pleasant PC day.

33 posted on 02/28/2002 4:45:26 AM PST by Pharmboy
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