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To: Ward Smythe
Ward you are absolutely correct. Calvinism teaches that you must be born again before you repent before you even believe.

Actually, it's consistent with the calvinist version of election: since God chooses for you instead of you choosing for yourself, then it might as well be there as anywhere else.

971 posted on 03/01/2002 11:55:15 AM PST by xzins
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To: xzins
"Christ for us," the obedient in the room of the disobedient, is the first part of our message. His assumption of the legal claims, which otherwise would have made good against us, is the security for our deliverance. That deliverance becomes an actual thing to us immediately upon our consenting to allow Him to undertake our case.

"Christ in us" is the second part of our gospel. This second is of mighty moment, and yet is not to be confounded with the first. That which is done for us is not the same as that which is done in us. By the former we are constituted righteous, by the latter we are made holy. The one is properly the gospel, in the belief of which we are saved; the other, the carrying out of that gospel in the soul."

Do you think "consenting" is works?

973 posted on 03/01/2002 12:01:41 PM PST by f.Christian
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