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To: xzins; OrthodoxPresbyterian
Total Depravity means that Natural Man is totally sinful and does not ever WANT in his own spirit to know Christ.

OrthodoxPresbyetrian,

This is a honest question regarding the Calvinist view of Total Depravity. If man is totally sinful and never wants to know Christ, is he then totally evil, vile, corrupt (insert really bad adjectives here) - then does that put unregenerated man on the level with Satan and his minions?

If not, why not, and

If so, could they be redeemed, even if we "know" they won't?

This isn't a set up. I have no snappy retort (or unsnappy retort for that matter), but if we retain none of the image of God, and no ability to choose other than evil, would this then put us on that level?

908 posted on 03/01/2002 9:14:00 AM PST by Ward Smythe
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To: Ward Smythe
This isn't a set up. I have no snappy retort (or unsnappy retort for that matter), but if we retain none of the image of God, and no ability to choose other than evil, would this then put us on that level?

If you believe as I do in sola scriptura ..we have to look to see how God sees us

Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Romans 3 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat [is] an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps [is] under their lips:
14 Whose mouth [is] full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet [are] swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery [are] in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

This sounds like evil to me!

913 posted on 03/01/2002 9:30:16 AM PST by RnMomof7
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