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To: CCWoody
Woody said: "You see, sister, just how disengenuous SKempis is. I tell him that we do not believe what he has attributed to Calvinism and this is the reply."...

That is my reply because I see no support of your claim that I have misrepresented Calvinism.

"...God does not punish people for His decisions, He punishes people for their own decisions."

I agree. And if Calvinism actually claims that it is not God's decision, I have misunderstood and I apologise. But will you please tell me how these people decided to elect themselves?

If we must walk through this...
From my understanding, you believe God decides whom to elect. (? RnMom care to answer?)
If so, it is not their decision, but God's, and I have not attributed something wrongly as you claim.

That is pretty simple. Do you still want to say I'm the one who is disingenuous?

113 posted on 02/26/2002 7:07:03 PM PST by SKempis
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To: SKempis; RnMomof7; rwt60
If we must walk through this...

In charity, I will briefly state our position for you: All men have freely chosen to sin and fall short of the glory of God. They are foolish and disobedient and deceivers, who serve only their own selfish lusts. They hate God and want nothing to do with Him. Nevertheless, God for the sake of His name and His glory has Redeemed a number known only to Him from every nation and tribe and tongue and people group. The rest He has left in their sin wallowing hatred for Him.

116 posted on 02/26/2002 7:25:32 PM PST by CCWoody
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To: SKempis;CCWoody;the_doc;Jerry_M
Can you tell me at what point God lost His sovereignty? When did His creation begin to make the decisions?

He allowed Adam to sin..He selected Noah to survive the flood,the tower to fall, He selected Abraham to be the father of many nations..He selected Issac over Ishmael, Jacob over Essau, He selected Judah to receive Israel's spiritual blessing and Joseph the material (out of the normal order ). He hardened Pharaohs heart, and oversaw the slaughter of the infant males in Egypt..the drowning of the army of Egypt. He selected Israel to be a special people, and David to be the King..He decided to make Bethlehem the birthplace of the Savior and Mary the mother. He chose the cross for redemption..

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Every knee will bow SK..that indicates a Sovereign God to me??

120 posted on 02/26/2002 7:35:25 PM PST by RnMomof7
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