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To: ShadowAce
Sincere question--do you really think that we don't believe He has appointed our time of death? We believe the same thing.

852 posted on 3/1/02 6:38 AM Pacific by ShadowAce

Yep! Your definition of free will does not allow it. For if you say that the Lord has appointed your death by a violent gunshot, then this would be a violation of your free will. Perhaps you have reduced the ordination of God to a mere observation of the future. Then this would not violate your free will for you would be making all the decisions.

Perhaps you would not mind explaining how the Lord can ordain all the days of your life without violating your "free will."

1,085 posted on 03/02/2002 11:38:48 AM PST by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody;ShadowAce
Perhaps you would not mind explaining how the Lord can ordain all the days of your life without violating your "free will."

Impossible...Ecc 3:2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up [that which is] planted;

Just one more page to tear out of the bible

1,086 posted on 03/02/2002 11:55:20 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: CCWoody
Your #1085: Your definition of free will does not allow it. For if you say that the Lord has appointed your death by a violent gunshot, then this would be a violation of your free will.

That's silly, but it shows how you think. Calvinists are always accusing Arminians of considering themselves more powerful than God, or in this case considering their free will inviolable and God must accomodate. Again, that is a silly straw man.

The victim has free will, the murderer has free will, and God is sovereign over all. God sends the murderer to hell to suffer for his sins because he used his free will to deprive another of the ability to use his free will (in this life) to finish raising his children, or perhaps to have any at all, etc.

1,178 posted on 03/03/2002 2:32:40 AM PST by White Mountain
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