[winstonchurchill]

You're of a more direct disposition when you call their construct, non-christian, and you act at these times like their own "ortho" and "aggressive." Makes them angry, but they cannot see it in the opposite direction.

Well, I learned this afternoon that their constant harping on error (which I had heretofore regarded as merely obnoxious) is actually misleading sound people astray and into their brutal and callous doctrines.

I admit to being more than a little upset by that. They are now not merely prideful, puffed up and smug in their prattling and preening, their constant misstatements are leading some of Christ's "little ones" astray.

The frozen chosen are sowing weeds. We need some Scriptural 'Round-Up" here.

[CCWoody]

White Mountain may be a Mormon, and I will confront him over that when we deal with Mormonism. At least he does understand the God rejecting nature of the Calvinistic system. What is your excuse?

posted on 3/1/02 12:24 AM Pacific by fortheDeclaration

I am increasingly convinced that those defenders of the construct do much more damage to the cause of Christ than the papists or the mormons could ever hope to do.

posted on 3/1/02 2:46 PM Pacific by winstonchurchill

White Mountain doesn’t understand the God rejecting nature of anything he believes. Want proof? He is a Mormon! Now, you are perfectly free to align yourself with him in any discussion, but I must wonder at the strange bedfellows you keep. What fellowship has light with darkness? But, this really shouldn’t bother you much as you don’t understand the God rejecting nature of what you believe FTD.

As for you, WC, I have a suspicion that you have been in contact with Don recently. Maybe not; you may not have been that close. It must really bother you, though, that our fellowship of Reformed believers is growing. I know it bothers WM and FTD.

To agree to a doctrine like Total Depravity one must believe that all people before they are born again are so evil that they cannot choose the right, cannot seek or ask of God, or exercise faith in Christ. That is contradicted by your everyday experience, and causes me to wonder if you have been born again, since you apparently cannot see the obvious. The mistake of Calvinism as presented here is in making your own private Biblical interpretation, not having authority, and then driving it to extremes.

posted on 3/1/02 3:00 AM Pacific by White Mountain

Yes, one must believe that the blood of Christ [must] purge your conscience from dead works; that our hearts [must be] sprinkled from an evil conscience. And one must believe when in the Bible says that there is no one who calls on Your name, who stirs himself up to take hold of You. And one must believe when the Bible says that I was found by those who did not seek me.

The reason that this is contradicted by your everyday experience is because you are still looking at the world with your natural eyes. So, obviously you will see what you perceive as the natural goodness of man. And you will see the same goodness reflected in your "church" and you will conclude that the Calvinist has to be wrong. His reading of scripture must be flawed.

After all, all of us have a "child of light’ in us. We were one with God in some way in eternity past; or so the LDS teach.

But the Calvinist simply laughs. He knows that the heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked. He knows that until you experience being born of God and meet the Lord for the first time that you will never see man for exactly what the Bible says he is. The Calvinist knows that the natural man does not know these things because they are spiritually discerned.

The Calvinist knows that these people, whose minds the god of this age has blinded… lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ… should shine on them, are utterly at the mercy of God. The Calvinist knows that it is God who commanded light to shine out of darkness who has shown in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

So, it is obvious that I don’t see as you see. I have something that you need, desperately! I have a specific authority and a calling. And while I explore the wonderful things that God has ordained for me with His calling, I can assure you that you have never tasted my Jesus. And for this, I am sorry for you. You need to repent of all of Mormonism and you need to burn those books.

Until you do, you are not even equipped for the discussion. You are merely an outsider offering your natural man’s insight into a Spiritual affair. And I would urge all my brethren to not engage him in any other way than other to call him to repent and believe. But, I imagine that will fall on deaf ears for some.