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To: Ward Smythe
Gosh, you hate Biblical Theology!! Oh, come on now. Let's play nice.

Actually, I suspect I am entirely right about this -- not a matter of "playing nice", just identifying facts.

I suspect xzins is viscerally opposed to the doctrine that infants enter the world speaking lies. Just read his posts on the subject.

But this doctrine is Biblical.
And xzins is viscerally opposed to it.
Uh-oh......

That aside, help me out here (I have an earlier question to you back up the line if/when you can get to it). The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. Correct me if I'm wrong on any of these points: I believe we've established that Calvinists believe that children who die in infancy are the "elect."

Thanks, your honesty is appreciated (no sarcasm, it really is).

And that would apply to the aborted. Correct?

Correct.

If these babies are allowed to live do some of them become "non-elect."

No, if they were permitted to live, the Holy Spirit would fulfill His function of regenerating the Elect. Perhaps in a different time and place (since we are already postulating different scenarios) than in the womb, but it is the Holy Spirit's job to regenerate all the Elect, and He is going to do so.

However....

Or is that considered a "non-issue" since God knows ahead of time, or since he chooses, which babies will die in infancy.

...This is the simpler and easier way of addressing the matter. Foreknowing that He has seen fit to permit these children to die before infancy, God (so we believe) has also seen fit to Elect these infants to Salvation.

However, had He not seen fit to permit these infants to die before infancy, I suppose its possible He would have regenerated them in child or adult life, rather than in the womb. God measures out to us the days of ours lives; "if" (for the sake of hypothetical) He had seen fit to measure out to an Elect "more" days, He might also then see fit to take "more" time in sending the Spirit to regenerate that Elect.

1,000 posted on 03/01/2002 1:40:31 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
I suspect xzins is viscerally opposed to the doctrine that infants enter the world speaking lies. Just read his posts on the subject.

But this doctrine is Biblical.

OK. So infants enter the world speaking lies, thus sinning. Yet you claim that these same infants enter heaven--but these same infants who die have never repented of their sins, so you are claiming that God is bringing unrepentant sinners into heaven--correct?

I don't believe that is biblical at all.

1,005 posted on 03/01/2002 1:57:24 PM PST by ShadowAce
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Thanks for the response.
1,013 posted on 03/01/2002 2:36:58 PM PST by Ward Smythe
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
When you get a chance can you take a look at my #908? Thanks.
1,022 posted on 03/01/2002 3:05:27 PM PST by Ward Smythe
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