Posted on 02/25/2002 11:01:41 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
Hebrews 10:19-23
These Arminian definitions are found in the Wycliffe Dictionary of Theology and are condensed in that work by a Calvinist, Roger Nicole(Gordon Divinity School). I will take some liberties with them for the sake of clarification:
1. - - God elects only on the basis of foreseen faith and condemns only on the basis of resistance to grace.
2. - - Christ provided a universal opportunity by dying for all men and for every man such that ALL those who turn to him as true repentant believers are saved.
3. - - Man is so depraved that foreplanned divine intervention and preceding divine grace are necessary to bring about faith or any good deed.
Those who die in infancy have not sinned. There is no need for sacrifice.
Excellent answer. The Calvinist response about infants is this: U - - Unconditional Election means that God has elected for His own glory, in accordance with His own will and without regard for the merit of those elected, some for salvation and some to be left in their sins.
Many calvinists insist that most of those who die in infancy go to hell; that only the elect infants go to heaven.
Only the neo-calvinists who believe in an unlimited atonement or a modified unlimited atonement can theologize aborted babies into heaven.
Does this mean that Christ did not die for any person who dies as an infant?
BTW, this Calvinist and all of my "tag-team" believe that all who die as infants are elect infants. Would you be suggesting that any of us believe that babies go to hell?
I believe that you are NOT a classical calvinist, but that you are a neo-calvinist who does not truly believe in the limited atonement.
Is there any non-Calvinist that can answer this simple question; any, just one? It is essential for salvation for without it, no one can be saved. And yet, it seems that it is beyond the Arminian gospel to explain.
I'll wait for the discussion of the "L"! Besides, I believe that Spurgeon shares the same views as I do.
Does this mean that infants to die can approach God entirely on their own merit? Does this mean that they have no need for a High Priest?
If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness and with the mouth that confession is made unto salvation.
Bottom line appears to be choice, doesn't it?
If that's not what you mean by "how" you're going to have to share the "particularistic" definition of what your local group of calvinists mean by the word "how."
Personally, I think that the Devil likes these kinds of debate about nothing.
I accept that as 100% Biblical. ;-)
So, what happens in a man's heart that causes belief?
Your #685 is a blatant lie, proving once again that you have absolutely no interest in truthfully understanding Calvinism.
God, who alone sovereignly decides whom He is going to regenerate, has Elected before the foundation of the World to irresistibly apply the Atonement to ALL infants whom He foreknew He would see fit to call from this life in infancy.
Ergo, in choosing the persons of the Elect, He chose to include all persons whom He foreknew He would call away from life in infancy. All of them.
Thi is not a "neo-calvinist" or "modified calvinist" view. You are just making these terms up to serve your lies. This has been the classic view of Calvinists for centuries. The mainstream of Calvinism so teaches, and has always so taught.
But do you care about that, when you could instead preach lies, and bear false witness, as you do in your #685?
No, you do not care. Your preference, and the desire of your heart, is instead to bear false witness, and preach lies.
And we Calvinists understand that!! It is, after all, just who you are, that's all.
Ergo, you do not believe that Christ died for "all the world", but rather, Christ died for "all the world except those who die in infancy, for they need no atonement".
Right?
Well, I believe that infants must come to the Father through Christ; I believe that they, just like me, have need of a High Priest. But you, believing that they are not sinners in need of Salvation, really need to explain why these verses mean an infant has need of their heart being sprinkled clean by our High Priest.
I said that I believe he is not a classical calvinist, but is instead a neo-calvinist.
I really do believe that. How is it a lie?
You know, the way you phrase things makes you seem a melodramatic oddity? Are you a bit histrionic in your business life as well?
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