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Bloody right. Apart from the Turks and some Pakistanis, we haven't heard much from the Islamic world in terms of support for the War on Terrorism - our domestic populations in both America and Britain are the biggest concern of all.

Best Regards, Ivan
1 posted on 02/23/2002 8:15:48 AM PST by MadIvan
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2 posted on 02/23/2002 8:16:31 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
From over privileged guilt ridden leftists on college campuses to left leaning media to portentous gasbags in world governments, we hear a steady droning that Islam means “peace” and that it is a nonviolent religion practiced by millions around the world.

All religious fanatics are dangerous -- and all religions are a bit nutty. But whatever the intentions of these apologists -- at least one desirable outcome is that they are "talking them into it" -- in other words it is also propoganda -- "you are peaceful, you are peaceful."

Considering the level of unsophisticated brainwashing that religionists are suceptible to, this isn't such a bad idea.

No, nothing will reach the hard core fanatical religionist -- but the mainstream sheep -- that's a lot easier.

3 posted on 02/23/2002 8:25:26 AM PST by jlogajan
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To: MadIvan
Excellent article and gets right to the truth. There is way to much silence coming from the muslim community. It's so quite, it's deafingly loud, for anyone who has ears to hear.
4 posted on 02/23/2002 8:26:13 AM PST by MsLady
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To: MadIvan
Cousin....

If Islam were to dominate, guess what side the "peace loving" and "low lying Islamics" would be on????

5 posted on 02/23/2002 8:30:39 AM PST by cynicom
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To: MadIvan
what will “moderate” Muslims do when they hear the louder calls to join with their brothers in jihad? After all, these “moderate” Muslims are keenly aware any Muslim who fails to heed the call to avenge his brothers, in the long run, will be marked as a traitor and hunted down like dogs.

We can't afford to wait to find out what the "moderates" will do -- that's why we're about to spend billions on HOMELAND defense -- defense not only from the enemy without, but from within.

7 posted on 02/23/2002 8:32:50 AM PST by browardchad
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Say what you want.

But Islam will always be The Religion of Peace to this Freeper. sarcasm

9 posted on 02/23/2002 8:35:43 AM PST by The Turbanator
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Islam = Satanism. He was a murderer from the beginning. They're just following his lead.
13 posted on 02/23/2002 8:53:42 AM PST by avenir
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To: MadIvan
Ivan,
Thank you for this post.
This needs a BIG BUMP. Oh wait, isn't Islam a religion of peace?
Yeah, beheading is peaceful, right. Get them all out of my country!!!
18 posted on 02/23/2002 8:58:56 AM PST by grammymoon
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To: MadIvan
Peace my patootie. Mayhem and violence, in the words of Pat Robertson.
21 posted on 02/23/2002 9:00:13 AM PST by iav2
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Islam is not a religion founded on peace. It sounds like it's a religion founded in oppression and "salvary, and legalism." That is, "If you do not surrender to our demands, you die." Makes you wonder why so many afrian Americans have surrendered to this religion?
Thanks MadIvan, this is truly and eye opening article. I find nothung peaceful to what these extemist Islamic types do or say.
28 posted on 02/23/2002 9:09:24 AM PST by Teacup
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To: MadIvan
Glad to see you back.

Good essay. I've said this before: some of your stuff should be in The Economist.

32 posted on 02/23/2002 9:13:32 AM PST by Mortimer Snavely
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I believe their agenda is to make the U.S. government a Muslim government. We are in a long war for the survival of our country. We are up against pure evil. We WILL win this war, but there will be huge losses. The only way to stop terror is with horror. There will be horror.

IMO this "religion" is a political movement based on lies. (ie: There are virgins in paradise for you if you kill your sorry self.)

It's time for honorable Americans to identify the real enemy. It's past time to get rid of the "Muslims are not evil" compassion, OR PROVE OTHERWISE. Lets hear from them. I want to hear the Muslims declare they believe in America, in the American Republic. I want to hear the Muslims vow that they do not wish to destroy capitalism. At least those LIVING IN THIS GREAT COUNTRY AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE MOST WONDERFUL COUNTRY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD--or get the hell out.

35 posted on 02/23/2002 9:15:38 AM PST by shetlan
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<...Muslims around the world, appear to be lying low...

It's time to call them to account.

"Do you endorse the violence or not? Will you attempt to force your religion on the rest of us or not?"

If there are no answers, then we must assume the game is on. Avoiding confrontation invites trouble all the more.

44 posted on 02/23/2002 9:33:00 AM PST by stboz
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To: MadIvan
Islam = The i-slam religion. Born to be violent.
45 posted on 02/23/2002 9:41:15 AM PST by highenergyzone
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To: MadIvan
Islam. A cult for savages
46 posted on 02/23/2002 9:42:32 AM PST by paul51
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Standing O for a spot-on article that hits the mark.

It's almost as if the author heard the debate on Chicago-based WLS AM a few weeks ago between myself, a talk show host, and a Muslim Cleric. I found myself cheering this article's accuracy and calling it like it really is.

This quote "Most American Muslims, and indeed other populations of Muslims around the world, appear to be lying low. This is unsettling to the Western world as we are unclear whether or not they merely wish to avoid controversy or whether they are merely unsure which side to cheer." really hits the nail on the head. We have not heard a loud outcry from American Muslims (or others around the world for that matter) that rejects what the Islamic Terrorists did on Sept. 11th 2001. Quite the contrary as the author notes: they're ducking and covering.

So they're either waiting for their chance to rise up as Islam calls them to, and commit terrorist acts of their own, or they're too afraid.

I for one, do not believe that American Muslims are afraid of anything. Rather, I think they're biding their time as Islam instrucst them to, waiting for the right opportunity to strike out against America.

The history of Islam from the Ottoman Empire to the Turkish wars and more is bloody and violent. It seeks to convert entire nations in one of three ways as the author correctly points out: conversion, coersion or killing its enemies. The choice that has been resoundingly made by Islamic Terrorists (let's call them what they are) has been to KILL.

To say that these Islamic Terrorists "hijacked" Islam on Sept. 11th 2001 does two things:

First, it belittles the loss of innocent life - all innocent life from Christian to Jewish to Muslim to non-believer - on Sept. 11th, and IMO is a less than subtle attempt to draw attention away from all those who died, and portray Islam as the "victim" in all of this.

Second, the statement "Islam was hijacked" is a futile attempt to those of us who know the TRUTH, to draw away attention from the fact that these Islamic Terrorists did precisely what the Qu'ran instructs them to do: kill all non-Islamic believers.

Sura, known as the Verse of the Sword gives specific instructions on how to wage war against Non-Muslims and when to kill them. Islam is a religion of peace?

Let's compare and contrast the Qu'ran vs. The Holy Bible. In order to compare the Qu'ran to the Bible, we must compare the Qu'ran to the New Testament, in order to make an apples to apples comparison. The Qu'ran after all, was written hundreds of years *after* Christs Crucifixion, so there is no way to compare the Qu'ran to the Old and New Testament. Therefore, we must compare the New Testament vs. the Qu'ran:


48 posted on 02/23/2002 9:57:18 AM PST by usconservative
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To: MadIvan
"Yes! We are for peace, and if you don't believe us, we will kill you!"

50 posted on 02/23/2002 10:00:22 AM PST by antidemocommie
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Radical islam is an insane death cult: "moderate" islam is the Trojan horse of radical islam.
51 posted on 02/23/2002 10:02:13 AM PST by Travis McGee
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I found it incredible that a week or two ago the official (Minister of Travel?) from Afghanistan was beaten and killed by an angry mob who were at the Kandahar airport to travel to on their pilgramage to Mecca.

Doesn't sound like a religion of peace to me.

WAS THE ARTICLE REGARDING THIS MURDER POSTED ON FreeRepublic? Please provid a link if one exists.

KillerMosquito

54 posted on 02/23/2002 10:11:45 AM PST by killermosquito
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Munich Olympic Massacre, September 5, 1972: Eight Palestinian "Black September" terrorists seized 11 Israeli athletes in the Olympic Village in Munich, West Germany. In a bungled rescue attempt by West German authorities, nine of the hostages and five terrorists were killed.

Entebbe Hostage Crisis, June 27, 1976: Members of the Baader-Meinhof Group and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) seized an Air France airliner and its 258 passengers. They forced the plane to land in Uganda, where on July 3 Israeli commandos successfully rescued the passengers.

Iran Hostage Crisis, November 4, 1979: After President Carter agreed to admit the Shah of Iran into the U.S., Iranian radicals seized the U.S. Embassy in Tehran and took 66 American diplomats hostage. Thirteen hostages were soon released, but the remaining 53 were held until their release on January 20, 1981.

Grand Mosque Seizure, November 20, 1979: 200 Islamic terrorists seized the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, taking hundreds of pilgrims hostage. Saudi and French security forces retook the shrine after an intense battle in which some 250 people were killed and 600 wounded.

Assassination of Egyptian President, October 6, 1981: Soldiers who were secretly members of the Takfir Wal-Hajira sect attacked and killed Egyptian President Anwar Sadat during a troop review.

Assassination of Lebanese Prime Minister, September 14, 1982: Premier Bashir Gemayel was assassinated by a car bomb parked outside his party's Beirut headquarters.

Bombing of U.S. Embassy in Beirut, April 18, 1983: Sixty-three people, including the CIA's Middle East director, were killed, and 120 were injured in a 400-pound suicide truck-bomb attack on the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, Lebanon. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.

Bombing of Marine Barracks, Beirut, October 23, 1983: Simultaneous suicide truck-bomb attacks were made on American and French compounds in Beirut, Lebanon. A 12,000-pound bomb destroyed the U.S. compound, killing 242 Americans, while 58 French troops were killed when a 400-pound device destroyed a French base. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.

Kidnapping of Embassy Official, March 16, 1984: The Islamic Jihad kidnapped and later murdered Political Officer William Buckley in Beirut, Lebanon. Other U.S. citizens not connected to the U.S. Government were seized over a succeeding 2-year period.

Hizballah Restaurant Bombing, April 12, 1984: Eighteen U.S. servicemen were killed, and 83 people were injured in a bomb attack on a restaurant near a U.S. Air Force Base in Torrejon, Spain. Responsibility was claimed by Hizballah.

TWA Hijacking, June 14, 1985: A Trans-World Airlines flight was hijacked en route to Rome from Athens by two Lebanese Hizballah terrorists and forced to fly to Beirut. The eight crew members and 145 passengers were held for 17 days, during which one American hostage, a U.S. Navy sailor, was murdered. After being flown twice to Algiers, the aircraft was returned to Beirut after Israel released 435 Lebanese and Palestinian prisoners.

Achille Lauro Hijacking, October 7, 1985: Four Palestinian Liberation Front terrorists seized the Italian cruise liner in the eastern Mediterranean Sea, taking more than 700 hostages. One U.S. passenger was murdered before the Egyptian Government offered the terrorists safe haven in return for the hostages' freedom.

Egyptian Airliner Hijacking, November 23, 1985: An EgyptAir airplane bound from Athens to Malta and carrying several U.S. citizens was hijacked by the Abu Nidal Group.

Aircraft Bombing in Greece, March 30, 1986: A Palestinian splinter group detonated a bomb as TWA Flight 840 approached Athens Airport, killing four U.S. citizens.

Berlin Discoteque Bombing, April 5, 1986: Two U.S. soldiers were killed, and 79 American servicemen were injured in a Libyan bomb attack on a nightclub in West Berlin, West Germany. In retaliation, U.S. military jets bombed targets in and around Tripoli and Benghazi.

Kidnapping of William Higgins, February 17, 1988: U.S. Marine Corps Lt. Col. W. Higgins was kidnapped and murdered by the Iranian-backed Hizballah group while serving with the United Nations Truce Supervisory Organization (UNTSO) in southern Lebanon.

Naples USO Attack, April 14, 1988: The Organization of Jihad Brigades exploded a car bomb outside a USO Club in Naples, Italy, killing one U.S. sailor.

Pan Am 103 Bombing, December 21, 1988: Pan American Airlines Flight 103 was blown up over Lockerbie, Scotland, by a bomb believed to have been placed on the aircraft in Frankfurt, West Germany, by Libyan terrorists. All 259 people on board were killed.

U.S. Embassy Bombed in Peru, January 15, 1990: The Tupac Amaru Revolutionary Movement bombed the U.S. Embassy in Lima, Peru.

Attempted Iraqi Attacks on U.S. Posts, January 18-19, 1991: Iraqi agents planted bombs at the U.S. Ambassador to Indonesia's home residence and at the USIS library in Manila.

Bombing of the Israeli Embassy in Argentina, March 17, 1992: Hizballah claimed responsibility for a blast that leveled the Israeli Embassy in Buenos Aires, Argentina, causing the deaths of 29 and wounding 242.

World Trade Center Bombing, February 26, 1993: The World Trade Center in New York City was badly damaged when a car bomb planted by Islamic terrorists explodes in an underground garage. The bomb left six people dead and 1,000 injured. The men carrying out the attack were followers of Umar Abd al-Rahman, an Egyptian cleric who preached in the New York City area.

Attempted Assassination of President Bush by Iraqi Agents, April 14, 1993: The Iraqi intelligence service attempted to assassinate former U.S. President George Bush during a visit to Kuwait. In retaliation, the U.S. launched a cruise missile attack 2 months later on the Iraqi capital Baghdad. Air France Hijacking, December 24, 1994: Members of the Armed Islamic Group seized an Air France Flight to Algeria. The four terrorists were killed during a rescue effort.

Attack on U.S. Diplomats in Pakistan, March 8, 1995: Two unidentified gunmen killed two U.S. diplomats and wounded a third in Karachi, Pakistan.

Kashmiri Hostage-taking, July 4, 1995: In India, six foreigners, including two U.S. citizens, were taken hostage by Al-Faran, a Kashmiri separatist group. One non-U.S. hostage was later found beheaded.

Jerusalem Bus Attack, August 21, 1995: Hamas claimed responsibility for the detonation of a bomb that killed six and injured over 100 persons, including several U.S. citizens.

Saudi Military Installation Attack, November 13, 1995: The Islamic Movement of Change planted a bomb in a Riyadh military compound that killed one U.S. citizen, several foreign national employees of the U.S. Government, and more than 40 others.

Hamas Bus Attack, February 26, 1996: In Jerusalem, a suicide bomber blew up a bus, killing 26 persons, including three U.S. citizens, and injuring some 80 persons, including three other US citizens.

Dizengoff Center Bombing, March 4, 1996: Hamas and the Palestine Islamic Jihad (PIJ) both claimed responsibility for a bombing outside of Tel Aviv's largest shopping mall that killed 20 persons and injured 75 others, including two U.S. citizens.

West Bank Attack, May 13, 1996: Arab gunmen opened fire on a bus and a group of Yeshiva students near the Bet El settlement, killing a dual U.S.-Israeli citizen and wounding three Israelis. No one claimed responsibility for the attack, but Hamas was suspected.

Zekharya Attack, June 9, 1996: Unidentified gunmen opened fire on a car near Zekharya, killing a dual U.S./Israeli citizen and an Israeli. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) is suspected.

Khobar Towers Bombing, June 25, 1996: A fuel truck carrying a bomb exploded outside the U.S. military's Khobar Towers housing facility in Dhahran, killing 19 U.S. military personnel and wounding 515 persons, including 240 U.S. personnel. Several groups claimed responsibility for the attack.

Bombing of Archbishop of Oran, August 1, 1996: A bomb exploded at the home of the French Archbishop of Oran, killing him and his chauffeur. The attack occurred after the Archbishop's meeting with the French Foreign Minister. The Algerian Armed Islamic Group (GIA) is suspected.

Sudanese Rebel Kidnapping, August 17, 1996: Sudan People's Liberation Army (SPLA) rebels kidnapped six missionaries in Mapourdit, including a U.S. citizen, an Italian, three Australians, and a Sudanese. The SPLA released the hostages 11 days later.

Paris Subway Explosion, December 3, 1996: A bomb exploded aboard a Paris subway train as it arrived at the Port Royal station, killing two French nationals, a Moroccan, and a Canadian, and injuring 86 persons. Among those injured were one U.S. citizen and a Canadian. No one claimed responsibility for the attack, but Algerian extremists are suspected.

Tupac Amaru Seizure of Diplomats, December 17, 1996: Twenty-three members of the Tupac Amaru Revolutionary Movement (MRTA) took several hundred people hostage at a party given at the Japanese Ambassador's residence in Lima, Peru. Among the hostages were several U.S. officials, foreign ambassadors and other diplomats, Peruvian Government officials, and Japanese businessmen. The group demanded the release of all MRTA members in prison and safe passage for them and the hostage takers. The terrorists released most of the hostages in December but held 81 Peruvians and Japanese citizens for several months.

Egyptian Letter Bombs, January 2-13, 1997: A series of letter bombs with Alexandria, Egypt, postmarks were discovered at Al-Hayat newspaper bureaus in Washington, New York City, London, and Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Three similar devices, also postmarked in Egypt, were found at a prison facility in Leavenworth, Kansas. Bomb disposal experts defused all the devices, but one detonated at the Al-Hayat office in London, injuring two security guards and causing minor damage.

Empire State Building Sniper Attack, February 23, 1997: A Palestinian gunman opened fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State Building in New York City, killing a Danish national and wounding visitors from the United States, Argentina, Switzerland, and France before turning the gun on himself. A handwritten note carried by the gunman claimed this was a punishment attack against the "enemies of Palestine."

Israeli Shopping Mall Bombing, September 4, 1997: Three suicide bombers of Hamas detonated bombs in the Ben Yehuda shopping mall in Jerusalem, killing eight persons, including the bombers, and wounding nearly 200 others. A dual U.S./Israeli citizen was among the dead, and seven U.S. citizens were wounded.

Yemeni Kidnappings, October 30, 1997: Al-Sha'if tribesmen kidnapped a U.S. businessman near Sanaa. The tribesmen sought the release of two fellow tribesmen who were arrested on smuggling charges and several public works projects they claim the government promised them. They released the hostage on November 27.

Murder of U.S. Businessmen in Pakistan, November 12, 1997: Two unidentified gunmen shot to death four U.S. auditors from Union Texas Petroleum Corporation and their Pakistani driver after they drove away from the Sheraton Hotel in Karachi. The Islami Inqilabi Council, or Islamic Revolutionary Council, claimed responsibility in a call to the U.S. Consulate in Karachi. In a letter to Pakistani newspapers, the Aimal Khufia Action Committee also claimed responsibility.

Tourist Killings in Egypt, November 17, 1997: Al-Gama'at al-Islamiyya (IG) gunmen shot and killed 58 tourists and four Egyptians and wounded 26 others at the Hatshepsut Temple in the Valley of the Kings near Luxor. Thirty-four Swiss, eight Japanese, five Germans, four Britons, one French, one Colombian, a dual Bulgarian/British citizen, and four unidentified persons were among the dead. Twelve Swiss, two Japanese, two Germans, one French, and nine Egyptians were among the wounded.

Somali Hostage-takings, April 15, 1998: Somali militiamen abducted nine Red Cross and Red Crescent workers at an airstrip north of Mogadishu. The hostages included a U.S. citizen, a German, a Belgian, a French, a Norwegian, two Swiss, and one Somali. The gunmen were members of a subclan loyal to Ali Mahdi Mohammed, who controlled the northern section of the capital.

U.S. Embassy Bombings in East Africa, August 7, 1998: A bomb exploded at the rear entrance of the U.S. embassy in Nairobi, Kenya, killing 12 U.S. citizens, 32 Foreign Service Nationals (FSNs), and 247 Kenyan citizens. About 5,000 Kenyans, six U.S. citizens, and 13 FSNs were injured. The U.S. embassy building sustained extensive structural damage. Almost simultaneously, a bomb detonated outside the U.S. embassy in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, killing seven FSNs and three Tanzanian citizens, and injuring one U.S. citizen and 76 Tanzanians. The explosion caused major structural damage to the U.S. embassy facility. The U.S. Government held Usama Bin Ladin responsible.

Attack on U.S.S. Cole, October 12, 2000: In Aden, Yemen, a small dingy carrying explosives rammed the destroyer U.S.S. Cole, killing 17 sailors and injuring 39 others. Supporters of Usama Bin Ladin were suspected.

Manila Bombing, December 30, 2000: A bomb exploded in a plaza across the street from the U.S. embassy in Manila, injuring nine persons. The Moro Islamic Liberation Front was likely responsible.

Bus Stop Bombing, April 22, 2001: A member of Hamas detonated a bomb he was carrying near a bus stop in Kfar Sava, Israel, killing one person and injuring 60.

Tel-Aviv Nightclub Bombing, June 1, 2001: Hamas claimed responsibility for the bombing of a popular Israeli nightclub that caused over 140 casualties.

Hamas Restaurant Bombing, August 9, 2001: A Hamas-planted bomb detonated in a Jeruselum pizza restaurant, killing 15 people and wounding more than 90.

Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Homeland, September 11, 2001: Two hijacked airliners crashed into the twin towers of the World Trade Center. Soon thereafter, the Pentagon was struck by a third hijacked plane. A fourth hijacked plane, suspected to be bound for a high-profile target in Washington, crashed into a field in southern Pennsylvania. More than 3,000 U.S. citizens and other nationals were killed as a result of these acts. President Bush and Cabinet officials indicated that Usama Bin Laden was the prime suspect and that they considered the United States in a state of war with international terrorism. In the aftermath of the attacks, the United States formed the Global Coalition Against Terrorism.

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