Posted on 02/22/2002 6:17:19 AM PST by ArGee
War is peace.
Ignorance is strength.
I neither endorse the Bible nor otherwise. It is far above my ability to add or detract. I believe that it tells the truth. But if I did not believe that, it would not make the Bible any less true.
And you have suggested that homosexuality among consenting adults is the moral equivalent of murder.
The Bible has outright said that. I happen to believe it is true in this regard also.
Do you want to stand by that position?
Absolutely.
Consenting adult homosexuals are morally worse than murderers?
Do you honestly believe that?
Of course.
No.[I am not familiar with "Mac the Knife."]
Oh, the shark, dear
Has big teeth, babe,
And he shines them pearly white.
Just a knife, dear
Has Mac Heath, babe
And he keeps it out of sight.
(Forgive all the "dear"s and "babe"s. It's a jazz tune.)
By the way, as I've told you more than once before, if it were just an issue of the private behavior of consenting adults, we might not be having a conversation at all. But part of the disease of SADs is they have to spread it. My objection, from the perspective of this forum, is the public policy issues the SADs insist on raising precisely because they have no interest in keeping the issue private.
Shalom.
Amen.
Matthew 20:26-28 (ESV)
It shall not be so among you. But whoever would be great among you must be your servant, [27] and whoever would be first among you must be your slave, [28] even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."
There is no higher ruler, who came to serve man. True, He is not man's servant. But He set the standard. All true rulers serve those over whom they rule.
Perhaps we have twisted the concept of ruling. Of course, we have twisted just about everything else.
Shalom.
She said a break. But I could imagine the break becoming permanent. She did not specifically say one way or the other.
Shalom.
Interesting.
You have said from the beginning of the conversation, that consenting adult homosexuals were the moral equivalent of murderers.
I took this to mean that it was the moral nature of the behavior you objected to, and not whether such individuals practiced their behavior privately.
Are you now saying that you have no objection to consenting adult homosexuals, so long as they practice their sexuality privately?
Or are these people still the moral equivalent of murderers and deserving of death, even though they practice their sexuality privately?
I ask again.... who do you consider "the perverts"?
An interesting question.
Perhaps we should look to a similar model in the pursuit of illegal drug use on the part of state.
In that case, a neighbor having a suspicion of drug activity might file an anonymous complaint, whereupon agents of the state arrive to kick down the door and look for evidence to corroborate the suspicion.
That (a third party complaint, and subsequent violation of privacy on the part of state) is the traditional means of prosecuting victimless crimes (otherwise known as vices).
Bring on the crotch sniffing dogs...
You have advocated the imprisonment of consenting adults for the "crime" of homosexuality.
Perhaps you hadn't considered how this would happen.
Then your true objection is to public sexuality, and not homosexuality?
If so, then why not just say so, and advaocate a position which discourages public sexuality (whether hetero or homo)?
Or could it be that this is a convenient excuse?
The other thing is that our current government has allowed them to spread their perverted ideas advocating participation in their activities in our public schools and institutions. This should not be allowed any more than their public actions should be allowed.
And here again, it seems that your beef is more with the dissemination of ideas you disapprove of in public schools (and being forced to pay for it no less) than it is with consenting adult homosexuality.
Public schools are used to spread all manner of ideas I'm sure you disapprove of. Evolution, sexual education, leftist indoctrination, etc...
But instead of rightfully condemning the inherently socialist and immoral institution of public schools, you instead use their existence as yet another reason to continue your persecution of homosexuals.
Yes, I have. I stand by that.
I took this to mean that it was the moral nature of the behavior you objected to, and not whether such individuals practiced their behavior privately.
Well, that was a bit of a strawman. They won't do that. It isn't any more in their nature than it is in mine. I love my wife and am proud to have her as my wife. I'm not going to keep our relationship private. I don't expect SADs to do that either. And that's where the destructive behavior to society kicks in.
Or are these people still the moral equivalent of murderers and deserving of death, even though they practice their sexuality privately?
Watch the "deserving of death" bit. If you accuse me of advocating either the abuse of SADs or a judicial system that makes it a capital crime, I'm going to call you out on it. I expressly said that the Bible mandated that approach for the theocracy of Israel. I also explicitly said that nobody is calling for the U.S. to become a theocracy. I will stand by the statement that SAD is the moral equivalent of murder. Did you understand the lyrics from "Mac the Knife"?
Shalom.
Well, perhaps it is a semantic issue. Jesus ruled and still rules over all that there is. But there are good rulers and bad rulers. David was a good one. Rehoboam was a bad one. Davad served his people (although not faultlessly). Rehoboam served himself.
Shalom.
That would be a valid statement and needs to be said. Many of the disorders that SADs display are also displayed by straights, and should be dealt with in the same way.
That said, when was the last time you saw a straight pride parade that was not rated 'G'?
You can't always disconnect what a man does in private with what he does in public. It's a character (sin) issue. That was the whole problem with President Bubba.
Shalom.
You are also correct that I abhor socialist schools no matter what they are teaching in regard to social issues. Their mission to produce good little socialist workers for the state is detestable. The fact that they promote tolerance of all manor of perversion and criminal activity is also repulsive.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease and so, since the sodomites squeak loudest that just makes it appear that they are persecuted more. In fact they point the gun to their own heads and then squeal like pigs when when it happens. It would be very difficult to persecute those we know nothing about. The fact that they are such a loud noise draws the fire of their critics of which I am one. Heterosexuals do have a little more leeway given to them since their union is blessed by God. This is why some subtle displays of affection are tolerated in public. Holding hands and kissing are examples. Homosexuals on the other hand have no such blessing attached to their relationship. They cannot marry nor should they have public displays of affection.
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