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To: tortoise; southack
"Just show me an example of random noise producing a useful program..."

Did you have an example?

???

Southack...up to this point I must commend you. I do believe I would require 24 hours worth of straight sleep after pouring out the mental and spiritual energy you have in engaging the different posters in this thread.

Praise God.

Isaiah 49:4
But I said, "I have toiled in vain, I have spent My strength for nothing and vanity; Yet surely the justice due to Me is with the LORD, And My reward with My God."

87 posted on 03/01/2002 9:22:42 PM PST by VaBthang4
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To: VaBthang4;southack
"Just show me an example of random noise producing a useful program..."

Did you have an example?

It would be trivial to demonstrate, though it would likely take longer than I am willing to donate CPU cycles on my machines to generate a long enough noise stream (it depends on the size of the program that has to be generated to prove it).

The reason I am basically dropping this discussion is that we are arguing whether or not proven theorems of basic mathematics are true or not. If we were arguing about the basic axioms of mathematics it might be a reasonable discussion, but what Southack is arguing above amounts to refusing to believe that "2+2=4". A "random noise" source isn't random UNLESS it produces every finite length string in a finite amount of time. It is in the bloody definition of "random noise source" and you can find the relevant proofs in elementary information theory.

If you are going to argue a point, at least pick one that could be viewed as reasonably contestable. Picking proven theorems of mathematics to refute is a fool's errand.

92 posted on 03/02/2002 9:45:36 AM PST by tortoise
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