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A Little Secret About the Nazis (They were left-wing socialists like the modern left of today)
russp ^ | 1/2002 | Richard Poe

Posted on 02/18/2002 2:19:04 PM PST by TLBSHOW

A Little Secret About the Nazis

They were left-wing socialists. Yes, the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany, otherwise known as the Nazi Party, was indeed socialist, and it had a lot in common with the modern left. Hitler preached class warfare, agitating the working class to resist ``exploitation'' by capitalists -- particularly Jewish capitalists, of course. Their program called for the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, and other major industries. They instituted and vigorously enforced a strict gun control regimen. They encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion, and they denounced Christians as right-wing fanatics. Yet a popular myth persists that the Nazis themselves were right-wing extremists. This insidious lie biases the entire political landscape, and the time has come to expose it.

Richard Poe, editor of Frontpage Magazine, sets the record straight:

Nazism was inspired by Italian Fascism, an invention of hardline Communist Benito Mussolini. During World War I, Mussolini recognized that conventional socialism wasn't working. He saw that nationalism exerted a stronger pull on the working class than proletarian brotherhood. He also saw that the ferocious opposition of large corporations made socialist revolution difficult. So in 1919, Mussolini came up with an alternative strategy. He called it Fascism. Mussolini described his new movement as a ``Third Way'' between capitalism and communism. As under communism, the state would exercise dictatorial control over the economy. But as under capitalism, the corporations would be left in private hands.

Hitler followed the same game plan. He openly acknowledged that the Nazi party was ``socialist'' and that its enemies were the ``bourgeoisie'' and the ``plutocrats'' (the rich). Like Lenin and Stalin, Hitler eliminated trade unions, and replaced them with his own state-run labor organizations. Like Lenin and Stalin, Hitler hunted down and exterminated rival leftist factions (such as the Communists). Like Lenin and Stalin, Hitler waged unrelenting war against small business.

Hitler regarded capitalism as an evil scheme of the Jews and said so in speech after speech. Karl Marx believed likewise. In his essay, ``On the Jewish Question,'' Marx theorized that eliminating Judaism would strike a crippling blow to capitalist exploitation. Hitler put Marx's theory to work in the death camps.

The Nazis are widely known as nationalists, but that label is often used to obscure the fact that they were also socialists. Some question whether Hitler himself actually believed in socialism, but that is no more relevant than whether Stalin was a true believer. The fact is that neither could have come to power without at least posing as a socialist. And the constant emphasis on the fact that the Nazis were nationalists, with barely an acknowledgment that they were socialists, is as absurd as labeling the Soviets ``internationalists'' and ignoring the fact that they were socialists (they called themselves the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics). Yet many who regard ``national'' socialism as the scourge of humanity consider ``international'' socialism a benign or even superior form of government.

According to a popular misconception, the Nazis must have been on the political right because they persecuted communists and fought a war with the communists in Russia. This specious logic has gone largely unchallenged because it serves as useful propaganda for the left, which needs ``right-wing'' atrocities to divert attention from the horrific communist atrocities of the past century. Hence, communist atrocities have received much less publicity than Nazi war crimes, even though they were greater in magnitude by any objective measure.

R. J. Rummel of the University of Hawaii documents in his book Death by Government that the two most murderous regimes of the past century were both communist: communists in the Soviet Union murdered 62 million of their own citizens, and Chinese communists killed 35 million Chinese citizens. The Nazi socialists come in third, having murdered 21 million Jews, Slavs, Serbs, Czechs, Poles, Ukrainians and others. Additional purges occurred in smaller communist hellholes such as Cambodia, Vietnam, North Korea, Ethiopia, and Cuba, of course. Communism does more than imprison and impoverish nations: it kills wholesale. And so did ``national socialism'' during the Nazi reign of terror.

But the history of the past century has been grossly distorted by the predominantly left-wing media and academic elite. The Nazis have been universally condemned -- as they obviously should be -- but they have also been repositioned clear across the political spectrum and propped up as false representatives of the far right -- even though Hitler railed frantically against capitalism in his infamous demagogic speeches. At the same time, heinous crimes of larger magnitude by communist regimes have been ignored or downplayed, and the general public is largely unaware of them. Hence, communism is still widely regarded as a fundamentally good idea that has just not yet been properly ``implemented.'' Santayana said, ``Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.'' God help us if we forget the horrors of communism and get the historical lessons of Nazism backwards.

The Nazis also had something else in common with the modern left: an obsessive preoccupation with race. Hitler and his Nazis considered races other than their own inferior, of course. Modern ``liberals,'' who vociferously oppose the elimination of racial quotas, seem to agree. They apparently believe that non-white minorities (excluding Asians, of course) are inferior and unable to compete in the free market without favoritism mandated by the government. Whereas Hitler was hostile to those racial minorities, however, modern white ``liberals'' condescend benevolently. Hitler's blatant and virulent form of racism was eradicated relatively quickly and very forcefully, but the more subtle and insidious racism of the modern left has yet to be universally recognized and condemned.

The media often focuses its microscope on modern neo-nazi lunatics, but the actual scope of the menace is relatively miniscule, with perhaps a few thousand neo-nazis at most in the United States (mostly ``twenty-something'' know-nothings). The number of communists and communist sympathizers in the United States dwarfs that figure, of course -- even among tenured professors! And while the threat of neo-nazi terrorism is indeed serious, the chance of neo-nazis gaining any kind of legitimate political power anywhere is virtually zero. That is why the ACLU can safely use them to advertise its supposed commitment to free speech. Neo-nazi rallies incite violence, but they do not persuade bystanders to join their cause! If they did, the ACLU would have nothing to do with them.

--1/02


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hitler; nazi; nazis; socialism; thirdway
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To: Asclepius
...does not make for sound hermeneutics...

Herman who?

122 posted on 02/19/2002 6:45:37 PM PST by DrNo
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To: Asclepius
To be more specific: it is universally acknowledged that Marx was a virulent anti - semite. You are engaged in quibbles over whether a particular text can be construed (deconstructed?) so as to show that it could be read in a way that is not anti - semitic. This is reminiscent of the holocaust deniers and revisionist historians. If you are interested strictly in textual hermeneutics, fine. But this thread is supposedly about the question of whether the Nazis were of the left or of the right. In that context, the question of Marx's anti - semitism came up as showing a connection between him and Hitler. Why don't you want to address the larger question?
123 posted on 02/20/2002 6:05:37 AM PST by thucydides
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To: Asclepius
The historical illiteracy of our era strikes again.

Doctor:

Now that I've had a chance to get to my office and check my sources, let me offer the following support for my earlier-stated reading of "On the Jewish Question."

Robert Tucker (The Marx Engels Reader, 1972, W.W. Norton, page 24) offers the following observation on the piece:

"In the second part, Marx proceeds to the criticism of economics or commerce, which he equates with 'Judaism.'

"His concluding call for the 'emancipation of society from Judaism' (which has been seen on occassion as a manifesto of anti-Semitism) is in fact a call for the emancipation of society from what he here calls 'huckstering,' or from what he was subsequently to call 'capitalism.' "

I can see where you'd call me a(n) historical illiterate, I'm just a dumb working-class kid from the Mid-West at a Southern state university, but Robert C. Tucker is/was a Profesor of Politics at Princeton University!

P.S. Since this is apparently his area of expertise, I trust you will not accuse me of having committed the fallacy of ad verecundiam!

124 posted on 02/20/2002 11:22:56 AM PST by DrNo
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To: DrNo
... "His concluding call for the 'emancipation of society from Judaism' (which has been seen on occassion as a manifesto of anti-Semitism) is in fact a call for the emancipation of society from what he here calls 'huckstering,' or from what he was subsequently to call 'capitalism' ...
First, please allow me to withdraw the 'illiteracy' remark. It was uncalled for and I apologise profusely.

Second, thank you for the quote. I don't agree with it, but I can at least see where you're coming from.

And here is what I disagree with, the notion that "huckstering" and "capitalism" are somehow linked in Marx's essay. "Huckstering" was a coping strategy for Jews who were excluded from European civil society (cf Gypsies); capitalism was for Marx a fully realized system of production based on the capital accumulation, a novel division of labor, and the serial production and distribution of commodities etc., etc. I would argue that Marx does not implicate the Jews in capitalist commodities production or the bourgeois social order simply because they were excluded from both in Marx's era. They were confined to ghettos, allowed only to dig graves or lend money etc.

Marx's essay is an indictment of Judaism (as a religion, as an alibi for Jewish suffering) precisely because it insulates the Jews from the bourgeois revolution, which Marx believed was an historically necessarily precurser to revolution etc., etc. It's no big deal. I am not a Marxist; I am not comfortable defending Marx. Reasonable people can disagree and all that.
125 posted on 02/20/2002 1:26:01 PM PST by Asclepius
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To: thucydides
... To be more specific: it is universally acknowledged that Marx was a virulent anti - semite ...
Universally acknowledged, is it? A bold claim, don't you think?

Psychologists refer to this as "social proof." Everyone believes it, so it must be so. Not terribly rational. You can read all about it in Aaronson's Social Animal or Cialdini's Influence, Science and Practice. Logicians simply call it appealing to the mob (argumentum ad baculum).

Please remind me. Which one of us is supposed to be ideologically purblind?
126 posted on 02/20/2002 1:30:40 PM PST by Asclepius
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To: Asclepius
Some years ago a compendium of all Marx's writings on jews was published under the title "A World Without Jews." No one familiar with his writings, or who had read historians like Paul Johnson's biographical material would be in doubt of his anti - semitism. You are simply being obtuse.
127 posted on 02/20/2002 2:04:53 PM PST by thucydides
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To: Southack
The whole reason that "left wing" and "right wing" entered into our vocabulary was to differentiate between the various flavors of Socialism (e.g. Communists on one side and Fascists on the other).

In some sense, what you claim may have some truth in it, but the origin that I put most faith in goes back further.

At the time of the French Revolution, the Estates General was called. The Royalist supporters sat on the Right half of the hall, and the proponants of the new ideologies sat on the Left side of the hall. Ever since that time, revolutionary ideologues have lambasted all opposition as "from the Right" and alligned with old interests, corrupt monarchy, and old power.

At that time in our nation, despite its feelings of fraternity with French in throwing off an old maonarcy, the Federalists and Adams were as leary of the Left as Jefferson and the Republican-Democrats were fond of them.

128 posted on 02/20/2002 2:22:29 PM PST by KC Burke
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To: TLBSHOW
There's just too much confusion here. Let's cut to the quick. The Nazis (socialists) and Communists (pick the country) are left-wingers. They are the bad guys. They are loved by American left-wing press. Capitalists are the conservative right-wingers. We are hated by the left-wing press. Capitalism is what America is all about. It is why people from other nations risk their lives to come here. We are the good guys. We stand for the Constitution and freedom. It is that simple.
129 posted on 02/20/2002 2:24:20 PM PST by Temple Owl
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To: Goldhammer
Thanks for the links to Johnson and Himmelfarb on Marx. The Himmelfarb essay is new to me. I have wasted my time on this thread trying to disabuse Asclepius of his notion that Marx was not an anti - semite. Well, the facts speak for themselves.
130 posted on 02/20/2002 2:37:28 PM PST by thucydides
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To: martian_22
I knew it.
LOL!
131 posted on 02/20/2002 2:59:23 PM PST by LantzALot
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To: thucydides
No one familiar with his writings, or who had read historians like Paul Johnson's biographical material would be in doubt of his anti - semitism. You are simply being obtuse.
You believe Marx, a Jew and a social revolutionary, advocated the final solution, and I'm obtuse?

Here's a thought. Read what Marx wrote about colonialism, about the European subjugation of other races. Then come back to me and try to argue that Marx was a racist, that he advocated genocide. 'Kay?
132 posted on 02/20/2002 3:01:47 PM PST by Asclepius
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To: TLBSHOW
I KNEW IT! I KNEW IT!
133 posted on 02/20/2002 3:03:31 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: 1/1,000,000th%
what
134 posted on 02/20/2002 3:10:10 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
great article BUMP!

And congrats, TLBSHOW!

135 posted on 02/20/2002 3:11:19 PM PST by bigjoesaddle
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To: TLBSHOW
NAZI's were lefties. I was being facetious. How could a socialist not be a left-winger?
136 posted on 02/20/2002 3:11:29 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Asclepius
Logicians simply call it appealing to the mob (argumentum ad baculum).

Isn't that "appeal to the stick?" (To wit, if you don't agree I'll punch you in the nose!)

137 posted on 02/20/2002 7:08:53 PM PST by DrNo
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To: DrNo
... Isn't that "appeal to the stick?" (To wit, if you don't agree I'll punch you in the nose!) ...
You're probably right. I always get those screwed up.
138 posted on 02/21/2002 3:49:50 AM PST by Asclepius
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To: x;KC Burke;TLBSHOW;Temple Owl;snopercod
The Twenty-Five Points of Hitler's NAZI Party (website: The History Place(tm))
 " ... we demand:
11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.

15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

17. We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.


139 posted on 02/21/2002 9:07:36 AM PST by First_Salute
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