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To: Ms. AntiFeminazi
Yes, and my reference was specifically a jab at those who persist in calling Arabs, Palestinians and Muslims "subhuman animals".

However, holding Israel to a standard of perfection and absolute "morality" that is not at the same time demanded of the Palestinians or any other neighboring Arab nation is indeed subjective, insane, and anti-Jewish.

My point was that ALL nations -- Jewish or otherwise -- are to be held to the same universal standards of human regard. This is an impossibility if folks persist in demonizing each other as subhuman.

Had I gone farther, I might have pointed out that excusing one's actions on the express basis of "tit for tat" when dealing with folks one clearly regards as morally deficient and hopeless unjust can ONLY mean that one is lowering themselves to that level.

143 posted on 02/18/2002 7:06:04 PM PST by Askel5
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To: Askel5
Yes, and my reference was specifically a jab at those who persist in calling Arabs, Palestinians and Muslims "subhuman animals".

Can you please point me to those who persist in calling Arabs, Palestinians and Muslims "subhuman animals"? I must have missed it the first time I read this thread through.

146 posted on 02/18/2002 7:12:10 PM PST by Ms. AntiFeminazi
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To: Askel5
Had I gone farther, I might have pointed out that excusing one's actions on the express basis of "tit for tat" when dealing with folks one clearly regards as morally deficient and hopeless unjust can ONLY mean that one is lowering themselves to that level.

Obviously, you have gone farther, but let me point out your mistaken simplicity.
This land was part of Jordan. It was won in a war which the Arabs started. The people who illegitimately call themelves palestinians have never existed in all of time. Palestine never existed in all of time. Most of these people are from various Arab countries in the region who have not one whit of claim to Gaza. Yet THEY strap bombs to themselves and murder children purposefully. Their main targets are civilians and their main objective is to kill Jews. If other Arabs happen to be in the vicinity, oh well. They don't care.
So you are suggesting that Israel stay mellow, allow themselves to be murdered,that they have no right to defend themselves from this kind of terror which would not stop until every last man, woman, and child in the State of Israel was dead, no matter what the price in Jewish blood. Even IF they suddenly laid down all their defenses, never retaliated, and smiled as they were being slaughtered, the terrorists would not stop being terrorists. And once the Jews are gone, the Christians would have no protection whatsoever.
When the Christians are gone, they will proceed to slaughter each other.
Are you truly suggesting that Israel shouldn't fight back? Do you honestly believe that the Christians shouldn't fight back? Do you really dare to suggest that the *moral* thing to do is to allow themselves to be killed? That is suicide by anybody's rules, and the Lord does not take kindly to suicide.

159 posted on 02/18/2002 8:21:01 PM PST by Nix 2
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To: Askel5; Ms. Antifeminazi
To: Ms. AntiFeminazi

Yes, and my reference was specifically a jab at those who persist in calling Arabs, Palestinians and Muslims "subhuman animals".

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My point was that ALL nations -- Jewish or otherwise -- are to be held to the same universal standards of human regard. This is an impossibility if folks persist in demonizing each other as subhuman.

Had I gone farther, I might have pointed out that excusing one's actions on the express basis of "tit for tat" when dealing with folks one clearly regards as morally deficient and hopeless unjust can ONLY mean that one is lowering themselves to that level.

Such arguments would be much more powerful and relevant if you saved them for when such practices as calling them subhuman are employed, or provide a link back to a place where such arguments were made by the people you are debating. Otherwise, it seems instigative.
168 posted on 02/19/2002 2:04:33 AM PST by Dales
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