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To: Askel5
Askel, can you please clarify something for me? I usually do not hang out on these threads too long for a number of reasons, but something you posted recently made me think I should pay closer attention. So, here I am tonight reading this thread. My question:

Alouette's post:
However, holding Israel to a standard of perfection and absolute "morality" that is not at the same time demanded of the Palestinians or any other neighboring Arab nation is indeed subjective, insane, and anti-Jewish.

Your reply:
I would never think of holding the Israelis to a higher standard than so-called "subhuman animals".

Alouette ... I judge acts on their essentially Good or essentially Evil nature. This is one reason I'm so dead against what I call the "alchemy of pragmatism".

We're all human beings, Alouette, and -- though some of us may have been subjected to the conditioning and hatred and ideological oppression that deforms our consciences -- we do have God's law written on our hearts.

We all know right from wrong. It's up to us to hold each other to that minimum standard ... regardless the circumstances

Why did you throw the term "subhuman animals" into the discussion and who were you referring to as "subhuman animals"? I cannot tell from your reply if you are speaking of Israelis or Palestinians.

You then remind(?) Alouette that "We're all human beings, Alouette...", yet you are the one who used the term "subhuman animals" to describe someone, I'm not sure who yet.

It's no wonder these threads get so ugly.

132 posted on 02/18/2002 6:45:31 PM PST by Ms. AntiFeminazi
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To: Ms. AntiFeminazi
It's no wonder these threads get so ugly.

One reason these threads get so ugly is that Palestinians and Muslims are sometimes (well, often) dehumanized.

I contend that it's not always a man's fault where or when he is born and under what circumstances his conscience is deformed.

I believe that until you recognize the essential humanity of ALL human beings and fixate on those primordial human tenets of conscience, you have absolutely no hope of cutting through the hatreds and prejudices to bring folks together toward true justice.

Until you can forgive and love your enemies (a very Christian concept, no?), you have no hope of turning them back into your brothers and the conflict will only be perpuated.

By my post, I was hopeful to underscore exactly the absurd and demonic means by which reconciliation between these groups will be forever forestalled by the continued dehumanization of each other on both sides.

Does that clear it up?

135 posted on 02/18/2002 6:53:01 PM PST by Askel5
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