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To: irish guard
I keep returning to the same thing....it is either the parents or the neighbor. The money part is still bugging me. That Excursion, or was it an Expedition looked brand new. But then, I live in the snowy midwest and our cars get all messed up with road salt.

I.G.  Agree again with your comments!!  You have this buttoned down....

Egress into this home, both from the front and from the rear, is very limited.  The "perp" would have walked right by the front of the garage, using the front door and the gated fence from the rear of the house traverses directly adjacent to the garage.  Maybe Damon VD had his "radical" stereo blasting at full volume?  Disco, rap???  What about the neighbors, were they ever bothered by the late night comings and goings (and noises) at the VD estate?

And how do the "SWNG VISITORS" get into the garage, using the remote control? Side gate?  Do they drag these anonymous strangers through their house.  If the garage is made into the rumpus room one could imagine the VD's have made, then it is unlikely they are going to simply open the garage door for all to see!

So that leaves the abduction of Danielle.....

ONE OTHER THEORY......again, for it to have been random, the perp would have to know at a minimum the following details:

PARENTS ARE IN GARAGE, and not in the house??  How could a random perp have such knowledge. Lucky guess, no way, they are too shrewd.  Would have to have been either a previous SWNGER or one of the PLYRS that night/morning.  Could they have gone for "break" from the melee, and stashed the girl out back to retrieve later, on the way out?  We still can not ignore....


1. Alarm did not work, stoned or not, why would Damon VD ignore?
2. Rottweiler is tame, and can't bark.  Denied by the Kennel that sold to them.....
3. Intimate knowledge/layout of the house, 4000Sq feet is bigger than most track homes....in a dark house, plodding around upstairs, luckily finding the female child and not one of the boys?
4. No scent trail for dogs...that is strange....a short trail of the child to the street, where it is lost in a vehicle is expected.....
5. Parents were "indisposed, very late, very long time" Note that the timeline of the Van Dams has varied, reported by LE in San Diego.


After the "gang" left around 3 A.M., San Diego L.E. is expected to believe that the VD's just cleaned up, locked up and headed to bed? What if kids need water or bathroom during the night, are they forbidden? Stay in room at all cost, Kids, that is an order?? 

I don't buy it, not for one minute. A "stay-home" mom is always overly protective, and she would have checked on the brood before calling it a night. She was gone early (6 P.M.) off to dinner, then dancing, then "the parking lot episode" then back home for the garage party.....and not once did she check in on her children....if San Diego L.E. cracks this, it will be revolting.

But these type of criminals are amazingly cunning, crafty and without remorse. If the VD's stick to their planned story, and if they have planted enough dirty evidence on Westerfield for L.E. to find, then they will walk....too bad there are other kids...maybe males mean more than females with these types....I think the main reason why the VD's are not denying and protesting the SWNG LIFESTYLE any louder, is that they know many will say, "Oh, well they were doing that, we don't want to be judgmental" and all the while, it is a diversion.  Hope I am way off base.....

 

165 posted on 02/19/2002 11:19:24 AM PST by FresnoDA
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To: FresnoDA
and if they have planted enough dirty evidence on Westerfield for L.E. to find,

Westerfield said they danced, Brenda denies, possibly laying groundwork to nullify Westerfield defense testimony pointing to probable cross-contamination if Westerfield hairs are found in child's room? In addition, Brenda claims not entering the child's room after returning from the restaurant, negating another opportunity for cross contamination. Next time she enters the room (she will say) she was bathed, hair washed and wearing a nightgown?

166 posted on 02/19/2002 11:57:03 AM PST by Kerensky
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To: FresnoDA
The parents' account of their actions (putting the child to bed at 10pm and not checking again until 9am the next morning) corresponds to treating the child's room as a crime scene (preserving planted "evidence").
167 posted on 02/19/2002 12:35:47 PM PST by Kerensky
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To: FresnoDA
Dog that couldn't bark was said to be a weimeraner, not a rottweiler.

It is totally incredible to me that a person not familiar with, and at least formerly welcome on, these premises could have done this. No sign of a struggle or hasty grab of a person in blankets, etc. You tell ME how a stranger could have got the girl out of bed and down stairs and out of a house with 6 adults and 2 children in it, etc.--unless perhaps the girl knew him/them, and went with them voluntarily on her own accord.

I just don't think there is any evidence that anyone was forcefully abducted at all! Looks like Danielle (trusted perhaps not validly) and left voluntarily with the perpetrator, unless it was someone trying to save her as above poster has said...

Also, why all this about the middle of the night? If the "guests" in the garage left finally at 5 or so, and the parents were passed out somewhere, what is to keep Danielle from waking at daybreak, playing outside in the yard, going off to McDonalds with friendly adult frequently seen in the house, etc.

Why this absolutely ludicrous dispute over whether W and Mrs VD danced? That should be easily confirmable by interviewing those at the club...and might they have MORE THAN DANCED, such as in the parking lot etc? Why the argument early on that they were really strangers, had met only when he bought girl scout cookies, and now it seems [maybe, who knows who is lying] they knew each other fairly WELL?

168 posted on 02/19/2002 1:22:24 PM PST by crystalk
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