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To: gore3000
Nice story. However, the bones shown of pakicetus and ichtyolestes show absolutely no proof of their being ancestors of whales. First of all, no bones of whales are shown for comparison. To consider the article in post#29 (for which I show the pictures in post#87) as proof of anything shows a lot of wishful thinking on your part and that of lexcorp.

From Creationist Mindblocks to Whale Evolution:

The earliest known whales, Himalayacetus and Pakicetus are presently known only from cranial material, so they are not much help. However, the position of the inner ear bones in Pakicetus are a perfect intermediate between those of land mammals and the rotated ones of cetaceans (Thewissen & Hussain, 1993), not to mention the fact that the tympanic bullae are composed of dense bone as those of cetaceans (Gingerich, et al, 1983).

[Emphasis mine]

Of course, to your limited mind this is no proof.  You could look at the individual frames of a movie and claim there is no such thing as a moving picture.  Your programming makes you incapable of seeing the forest for the trees.

294 posted on 02/22/2002 5:43:16 AM PST by Junior
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To: Junior
"The earliest known whales, Himalayacetus and Pakicetus are presently known only from cranial material<.b>, so they are not much help. However, the position of the inner ear bones in Pakicetus are a perfect intermediate between those of land mammals and the rotated ones of cetaceans (Thewissen & Hussain, 1993), not to mention the fact that the tympanic bullae are composed of dense bone as those of cetaceans (Gingerich, et al, 1983).

Before I say anything else, your link goes to a personal page which the author did not even bother to assign his name to. It also does not have any examples of bones showing any proof for what he mentions in the text.

Aside from that, we have a very real problem with this article and I am surprised you did not notice it. Look at the bolded words, look at the bottom picture in post#87. The statement is false. We indeed have a lot of bones from Pakicetus besides the cranium. Those bones show a four legged animal.

So there we go Junior, another article "proving" whales came from land animals that does not show any such thing.

Let me just say one more thing about this matter. DNA analysis has shown that whales are in no way related to hippos and have not shown them to be related to any known land animal. So much for evolutionist fantasies.

601 posted on 02/24/2002 4:13:30 AM PST by gore3000
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