[Ward Smythe]

Most people assume that conversion (repentant faith) produces regeneration (the new birth). But it's the other way around.

Do you really mean you're saying that you have to be born again before you repent? If so, we must be further apart than I thought.

And, try as I might, after reading at least eight different translations, I see in no way that 1 Corinthians 2:14 refers to anyone other than the believer.

[Jerry_M]

You see a believer in I Corinthians 2:14??

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

You weren't kidding, you really are further apart than I thought.

[RnMomof7]

Do you really mean you're saying that you have to be born again before you repent? If so, we must be further apart than I thought.

Ward can a man that is blind see his sin? How does a "natural man" see his sin? He compares himself to other men.. "I am not like so and so"

It is not untill our eyes are open that we see our sin, not as men or the world see it..but as how it is seen by a Holy God.

Psalm 51 17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Untill we can see how we have broken the heart of God we can not even begin to repent.

[CCWoody]

Do you really mean you're saying that you have to be born again before you repent? If so, we must be further apart than I thought.

1 John 5:1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God...

Check the verb tense; we agree with John. Whoever believes is born of God. The Greek is on our side as well.