Ok, let's start with what is choking ftd on the other thread. Please Biblically define the will of the natural Adamic man before he is born again! (In other words, Biblical Depravity or Total Depravity as the Calvinist would call it)
Who cares what MAN has to say? (Calvin was only a man.) What does GOD say himself? He says it in black and white.
"The wages of sin is death."
"As a dog returns to it's vomit, so a fool to his folly."
"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
But there is hope.
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have ever lasting life."
Now.. what isn't clear?
Nothing is 'choking' me on the other thread, except your guys refusal to deal with truth. I caught you in a lie (remember, you admited that you had not expressly stated what you were thinking)and that was the issue on that thread!
Please Biblically define the will of the natural Adamic man before he is born again! (In other words, Biblical Depravity or Total Depravity as the Calvinist would call it)
I have already posted that on the other thread, go look at it and let me know what you think. However, even though I took it is from the Westminister Confession I am sure it is not what you mean by Total Depravity.
I love how Calvinists are always making demands for answers, like you have some power or something! Why don't you define your own system? I tell you why, because then we can nail you down with Scripture and that is the very thing you want to avoid at all costs. That is why you are constantly changing terms and meanings.