[RnMomof7]

Arminian preachers have learned to insinuate that convicted sinners are surely born again, because this gets them a lot of "converts." But they need to be a lot more careful. A lot of their converts are just wood, hay, and stubble. The sloppy minister's God-dishonoring works are going to be burned in hell.

Hard words Doc..but it leaves me with a comment for my fellow Wesleyan .

X , My Pastor took a couple of Wed. nights to teach " evangelization". At one point he talked about having them admit they are sinners and than say " the prayer". I was very disturbed by that ..so I raised my hand and asked about repentance. I asked how can a man be born again unless he repents? As repentance is different than acknowledging that you are a sinner or even a confession of sin. I asked how that man could be saved unless he was truly repentant?.The answer I got back left me even more troubled..He said let God take care of that "after" he is saved.

That position is clearly out of scriptural order .

As a Wesleyan Pastor how do you see it?

[xzins]

We spoke of the order of salvation about a week ago.

Faith, repentance (in fact, repentance assumes faith), salvation, (baptism)gift of the Holy Spirit, sanctification/justification, glorification.

However, in extremis, as in conversion on the battlefield while dying, faith/repentance can be seen as contemporaneous.

Mom, it sounds to me like your pastor's heart was in the right place. He want to have an evangelism program. It's too easy to have mistakes in those things. It's too easy to criticize such an effort. My guess is that you need to leave that church and go to one that teaches as you believe. Otherwise, you will never be satisfied with the doctrine.