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America's laser of death cleared for take-off
The Sunday Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 02/17/2002 | Sean Rayment

Posted on 02/16/2002 4:17:58 PM PST by Pokey78

AMERICA'S enemies will soon face a weapon, once confined to the Star Wars films, that can bring death at the speed of light.

The special operations AC-130 Spectre gunship, whose conventional weaponry has been used to devastating effect since the Vietnam War, is to be fitted with a laser that can shoot down missiles, punch holes in aircraft and knock out ground radar stations.

Despite the successful operations against Taliban and al-Qaeda fighters in Afghanistan, the emergence of asymmetric terrorist warfare - attacks such as September 11 where the enemy is unseen - has led the Pentagon to identify the need for a more sophisticated and deadly weapons system.

The next generation gunship, codenamed AC-X and nicknamed 'Son of Spectre' by US defence officials, will carry all the weaponry already used on the AC-130, including twin 20mm Vulcan cannon (capable of firing 2,500 rounds per minute), 40mm Bofor cannon (100 rounds per minute) and a 105mm Howitzer. Its 21st-century addition, however, will be its biggest punch: a chemical oxygen iodine laser (Coil), capable of carrying out lethal and non-lethal attacks.

The advantage of laser weapons is that they strike at the speed of light. In the Coil, the power of a chemical reaction is converted to laser energy, and the weapon can carry on firing as long as its power source is intact.

Paul Wolfowitz, the US deputy defence secretary, has given the go-ahead for the next-generation AC-130, which includes full funding for the "integration of a direct-energy weapon".

The Pentagon is yet to announce when the new laser-equipped "Son of Spectre" will come into operation, but it is understood that the first upgraded version could be involved in military operations within two years.

Although lasers exist that can hit aircraft, disable optically guided missiles and destroy communications lines, the ability to vaporise enemy troops and vehicles Star Wars-style will take a few more years to develop.

The Spectre, flown by the 16th Special Operations Squadron, has a crew of 13, including two observers using television and infra-red images to direct the four gunners on to their target.

Working in pairs, normally providing close air support for special forces ground operations, Spectres can circle targets for hours, pulverising areas the size of football pitches with extraordinary precision.

The Spectre has, however, come to the end of its operational life and further upgrades have been ruled out on cost grounds.

Rob Hewson, the editor of Jane's Air Launched Weapons, said: "The laser will be the atomic weapon of the 21st century. Since the 1970s, US scientists have conducted a series of secret experiments in the Nevada desert using lasers.

"We know that they had lasers capable of causing immense damage but they needed huge power packs. This remains a problem and this is why a laser weapon can only be fitted on an air frame the size of the AC-130. But advances will be made and the power plant will shrink and one day it will dominate the battle field.

"The Americans may already have a very powerful laser weapon far more advanced than we have seen. They have been carrying out research in this field for years but it is a very secret weapons programme and we have no idea how far they have progressed."

Once the Coil and its power plant have been fully developed, the USAF hopes to fit it to a whole range of manned and unmanned aircraft, such as the Predator reconnaissance probe, which is fitted with Hellfire missiles and has been used in CIA operations in Afghanistan.

Lasers could also be used as an additional weapon system to fighters, bombers, helicopter gunships and warships but this is unlikely for a decade.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: miltech
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To: piasa
You can use a "corner reflector" that directs the beam back to the original target no matter where it was aimed from. Different thickness and materials cam be used for different types of lasers and frequencies. Using vapor deposition, you can get very uniform surface coatings.
121 posted on 02/16/2002 11:57:23 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer
A corner reflector. Now that's interesting, presumably something akin to reflectors used in some cameras and other optical equipment to see 'through the lens' when the eye isn't directly in line with it? Add another and you look at your own eye. How stupid of me not to think of that, particularly with my camara sitting right here by my computer. It would be a bummer to have a big laser foiled by a set of mirrors, or worse, turned back.

I'm still wondering about what would happen if a powerful laser hit a damaged mirror/reflector, though. I know people test lasers using well-made mirrors because the idea is to make the laser work- I'm just curious if anyone has tested a laser on a deliberately flawed mirror, since under field conditions a reflector might get damaged and be only partially reflective. If it loses too much of its reflective surface area, would it absorb the heat rather than reflect it, and possibly be damaged even more?

122 posted on 02/17/2002 12:32:19 AM PST by piasa
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To: piasa
I am now wandering into the realm of speculation here. :) I have never been involved with laser mirror studies on the long term viability of defective or flawed mirrors. An optical physicist would be far more qualified to answer these questions. :)
123 posted on 02/17/2002 1:16:03 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: piasa
YOUR POSITION SEEMS PLAUSIBLE, TO ME.

However, I don't have the luxury of thinking my relative was lying.

124 posted on 02/17/2002 1:20:02 AM PST by Quix
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To: GOPJ
rattling sabers?

Going public, anyway. I say that is akin to "serving notice."

My guess is that it's directed more at the American public and to congresscritters. It directly links to the Star Wars initiative and demonstrates the feasibility of that effort.

125 posted on 02/17/2002 3:27:23 AM PST by xzins
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To: beowolf
Thank you Israel. Fruits of a good partnership.
126 posted on 02/17/2002 4:09:53 AM PST by American in Israel
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To: Elsie
Fire=Laser beam....NOT
127 posted on 02/17/2002 4:47:35 AM PST by kanawa
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To: Pokey78
!! BUMP a Great Thread !!
128 posted on 02/17/2002 7:53:06 AM PST by ez2muz
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To: illstillbe
Pretty Bomber Plane.....that is a Death Star!
129 posted on 02/17/2002 8:06:19 AM PST by Dog
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To: tet68
Son of Spectre
The Return of Puff


How About "POOF, the Magic Dragon"?
130 posted on 02/17/2002 8:17:26 AM PST by My Identity
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To: Ole Okie; one_particular-harbour
one_particular-harbour: Do it with some hot actress in the Lincoln bedroom

Ole Okie: X-42, the impeached Sick Willie Clitoon, has preceded you in this.

You've still got a shot - Babs doesn't qualify as hot...

131 posted on 02/17/2002 8:45:49 AM PST by LouD
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To: DoughtyOne
an incredible amount of moral responsibility. Will these weapons always be used responsibly?

Only if the Commander in Chief is a moral, responsible human being.
Which I suppose requires the electorate to make moral, "informed" choices.

MI
132 posted on 02/17/2002 9:01:36 AM PST by My Identity
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To: beowolf
Do a Google search on 'THEL' laser

Actually, lookup COIL Laser instead
133 posted on 02/17/2002 9:05:06 AM PST by My Identity
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To: thud
A way out Ping!
134 posted on 02/17/2002 9:05:17 AM PST by Dark Wing
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To: Pokey78
From AFRL's Directed Energy Directorate, Laser Division, Cooperative Development Branch, Kirtland AFB NM

The following characteristics make the COIL a very
good candidate for high-power applications:

1 - near-infrared laser wavelength of 1.315 micrometers is great for transmission through optical fibers.
(You don't need to aim the entire devide, just the focusing head.)

2 - a high optical quality beam that can be focused to small spots for faster metal cutting
(as pinpoint as you want it to be)

3 - readily scaled to meet very high-power needs.
(as powerful as you want it to be)

4 - the by-products of COIL lasing are salt, water and oxygen; no greenhouse effect gases exist.
Cool - an eco-safe weapon. BWAHAHAHAHA
135 posted on 02/17/2002 9:07:26 AM PST by My Identity
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To: Pokey78
I don't believe all that talk of superweapons. Why didn't they already use them in Afghanistan?? I thought for sure they would implement their ways to eliminate those a-holes from using their radio communications on their shortwave transcievers, BUT NOOOOOOOOO! T.V. reports show the monkeys talking on their transceivers left and right. What's up with that?! I'm p*ssed that USA didn't do somthing to eliminate their crude radio communication "network". Even just dropping radios with like frequencies with transmission button taped "ON" would have worked.
136 posted on 02/17/2002 9:14:36 AM PST by timestax
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To: My Identity
bump
137 posted on 02/17/2002 9:23:39 AM PST by timestax
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To: All
All this talk of laser weapons is old news. Back the in the early eighties my mom was moving out from the house I grew up in, and among the old newspapers was an L.A. Times from 1940 with the latest dispatches from the Battle of France. A small article had a story about Nazi soldiers with death rays mounted on their backpacks.

I can't believe the stuff we threw out!

139 posted on 02/17/2002 9:40:53 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Pokey78
Something tells me that SPF30 ain't gonna hack it.
140 posted on 02/17/2002 9:41:12 AM PST by stboz
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