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America's laser of death cleared for take-off
The Sunday Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 02/17/2002 | Sean Rayment

Posted on 02/16/2002 4:17:58 PM PST by Pokey78

AMERICA'S enemies will soon face a weapon, once confined to the Star Wars films, that can bring death at the speed of light.

The special operations AC-130 Spectre gunship, whose conventional weaponry has been used to devastating effect since the Vietnam War, is to be fitted with a laser that can shoot down missiles, punch holes in aircraft and knock out ground radar stations.

Despite the successful operations against Taliban and al-Qaeda fighters in Afghanistan, the emergence of asymmetric terrorist warfare - attacks such as September 11 where the enemy is unseen - has led the Pentagon to identify the need for a more sophisticated and deadly weapons system.

The next generation gunship, codenamed AC-X and nicknamed 'Son of Spectre' by US defence officials, will carry all the weaponry already used on the AC-130, including twin 20mm Vulcan cannon (capable of firing 2,500 rounds per minute), 40mm Bofor cannon (100 rounds per minute) and a 105mm Howitzer. Its 21st-century addition, however, will be its biggest punch: a chemical oxygen iodine laser (Coil), capable of carrying out lethal and non-lethal attacks.

The advantage of laser weapons is that they strike at the speed of light. In the Coil, the power of a chemical reaction is converted to laser energy, and the weapon can carry on firing as long as its power source is intact.

Paul Wolfowitz, the US deputy defence secretary, has given the go-ahead for the next-generation AC-130, which includes full funding for the "integration of a direct-energy weapon".

The Pentagon is yet to announce when the new laser-equipped "Son of Spectre" will come into operation, but it is understood that the first upgraded version could be involved in military operations within two years.

Although lasers exist that can hit aircraft, disable optically guided missiles and destroy communications lines, the ability to vaporise enemy troops and vehicles Star Wars-style will take a few more years to develop.

The Spectre, flown by the 16th Special Operations Squadron, has a crew of 13, including two observers using television and infra-red images to direct the four gunners on to their target.

Working in pairs, normally providing close air support for special forces ground operations, Spectres can circle targets for hours, pulverising areas the size of football pitches with extraordinary precision.

The Spectre has, however, come to the end of its operational life and further upgrades have been ruled out on cost grounds.

Rob Hewson, the editor of Jane's Air Launched Weapons, said: "The laser will be the atomic weapon of the 21st century. Since the 1970s, US scientists have conducted a series of secret experiments in the Nevada desert using lasers.

"We know that they had lasers capable of causing immense damage but they needed huge power packs. This remains a problem and this is why a laser weapon can only be fitted on an air frame the size of the AC-130. But advances will be made and the power plant will shrink and one day it will dominate the battle field.

"The Americans may already have a very powerful laser weapon far more advanced than we have seen. They have been carrying out research in this field for years but it is a very secret weapons programme and we have no idea how far they have progressed."

Once the Coil and its power plant have been fully developed, the USAF hopes to fit it to a whole range of manned and unmanned aircraft, such as the Predator reconnaissance probe, which is fitted with Hellfire missiles and has been used in CIA operations in Afghanistan.

Lasers could also be used as an additional weapon system to fighters, bombers, helicopter gunships and warships but this is unlikely for a decade.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: miltech
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To: samtheman; xp38
Thank you very much!
101 posted on 02/16/2002 9:07:16 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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"Laser of Death"

With really cool names like this we won't have to fight any wars...

Now we need the "Gun of Wiping Out Entire Armies in One Shot," and a few other well named goodies, and we're ready to go.

102 posted on 02/16/2002 9:07:17 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird
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To: Sabertooth
Clowns are BAD news. Their shoes contain much more explosive material than the typical Reebok or Nike and the rubber chickens can take out entire planes if tossed into the turbines.

What do you suggest, airport screeners looking for garish facepaint, smuggled horns, or dare I say it, outright clown-profiling?

103 posted on 02/16/2002 9:12:45 PM PST by piasa
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To: piasa
What do you suggest, airport screeners looking for garish facepaint, smuggled horns, or dare I say it, outright clown-profiling?

Clowns aren't born, they're made... just like fairies.




104 posted on 02/16/2002 9:14:52 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
...has led the Pentagon to identify the need for a more sophisticated and deadly weapons system.

You need a man for the job!


105 posted on 02/16/2002 9:15:19 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Any word on whether the sequel will be "The Sombreronator?"



106 posted on 02/16/2002 9:17:19 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Foghat
Hey, It's Sunday............. Thought you would find this interesting.
107 posted on 02/16/2002 9:20:09 PM PST by suni
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To: suni
Actually it's still Saturday in the civilized side of the country!! LOL

This laser is killer stuff, we've used lasers for targeting for a long time, and to think during the Reagan years they made fun of him and his "Star Wars" craziness as they called it. Reagan got them again!! "Well, There you go again!!"

I love it when a plan comes together!!
108 posted on 02/16/2002 9:23:33 PM PST by Aric2000
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To: Jewels1091
IT SEEMS CLEAR from various reports from personal friends and others that at least part of what's available is at least ostensibly from back engineering or outright technology transfers from ET's . . .

Anti-grav vehicles. Supposedly some stealth craft have dual types of propulsion/flight systems.

[to those prone to rabid remarks re such--No, thanks, I already have a container full of tinfoil hats. Start your own collection.]

110 posted on 02/16/2002 9:32:42 PM PST by Quix
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To: Lancey Howard
"This was around 1973. He talked about US use of lasers in Vietnam and I just took him for goofy. But over the years, I have seen enough references to wonder if maybe we were indeed playing around with lasers back then. "

We were, in the late 60's. And by the late 70's to early 80's there was the top of a mountain missing in New Mexico.

111 posted on 02/16/2002 9:32:49 PM PST by XBob
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To: Jhoffa_
You could be right, but I think it would take a long time for anyone else to build something like that. Wonder what the temp is from one of those lasers...would it melt glass?
112 posted on 02/16/2002 9:35:47 PM PST by Jewels1091
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To: Quix
BTW, SUCH ET assistance-in-design CRAFT were fairly old hat per my relative's perspective 30 years ago. One can fantasize about the progress since. He asserted that Mainland China had been mapped inch by inch by remote controlled such craft. . . and that some such craft carried only bombs and could easily do radical flight stuff. . . some carried people and had greater limitations therefore. Supposedly such could reach any spot on the globe virtually instantaneously.

Stranger things have happened. . . we shall see.

113 posted on 02/16/2002 9:36:24 PM PST by Quix
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To: Quix
I think it more plausible to believe in scientists and engineers thinking this stuff up than believing some ETs, whose existance has yet to be proven, thought this stuff up.

The technology isn't THAT far out. It's cool stuff, but not beyond comprehension ...and it's all based on foundations of prior discoveries. It's not like this stuff just popped out of the blue for no reason. Discovery was accelerated not by some extraterrestrial beings but by a concept rather new to humankind which blossomed only recently- free speech and the free expression of ideas, freedom of religion, and the protections on private intellectual property- all of which gave an incentive for inventors and companies to share their discoveries by openly publishing them and discussing them, and by selling rights to them. That was a big thing since prior to these concepts coming into practice, guilds worked hard to keep their trade secrets exclusive; scientists and other thinkers could be persecuted as heretics, and designs could be stolen, rather than purchased, and those who had not invented them were able to profit on the scientific work of others by ruining the market for the original discoverer, taking his customers. Reforms in Europe and the birth of America as a country finally got things rolling. The old restrictions fell away and were replaced with a desire for progress- we prospered from it. The US drew the greatest minds and entrepreneurs from all over the world, which in turn feuled even more discoveries. It was only natural that such progress occur exponentially.

114 posted on 02/16/2002 10:08:53 PM PST by piasa
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To: piasa; Jhoffa_; Sabertooth; jwh_Denver
Many laser mirrors are front coated mirrors that do not cause distortion of the beam by the glass or quartz material that the coating is applied to.
116 posted on 02/16/2002 10:21:22 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
And the Telegraph is privy to this information how?

The Discovery Channel aired a program a few months ago showing guys shooting prototype lasers and talking about military uses.

117 posted on 02/16/2002 10:33:40 PM PST by Victoria_R
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To: Pokey78
This is AWESOME!!!
I love new weapons...
THEL...gotta love it!

Or, at least respect it.

118 posted on 02/16/2002 10:40:37 PM PST by dixiechick2000
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To: RadioAstronomer
Many laser mirrors are front coated mirrors that do not cause distortion of the beam by the glass or quartz material that the coating is applied to.

Very interesting, but a little flat for a "Laser of Death" thread.





NOW we're cooking.



119 posted on 02/16/2002 10:41:16 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: RadioAstronomer
I knew we could count on you. I figured they would be some other sort of mirror, because glass causes so many problems, but do these mirrors work on any kind of laser and does the reflected light 'suffer' any loss from being bounced off of mirrors?

Would a laser simply burn off dust on the mirror's surface? And would a powerful laser be more likely to react to blemishes and imperfections in a mirror- if, for example, the mirror was scratched or pocked? Would it then reflect off of the 'good' parts of the mirror but burn into the flaws, possibly warping or destroying the mirror?

I would figure that in order to use a mirror as a 'defense' the mirror would have to completely cover the area you need to protect, otherwise you may be dead before the laser hits the place where you put your mirror... you don't know exactly where the thing is going to be aimed. To use the mirror to actually turn a laser against its operator, you'd have to to hit the plane carrying the laser, not neccessary the exact point where the laser is emitting, nor neccessarily at the same 'power', but at least with enough intesity to blind the aircraft and its crew. But you would also have to have the mirror (or mirrors) aimed at the plane before it fires, because there won't be time when it fires. And you'd have to have your own weaponry in case the plane turns out to be conventional and drawn to your highly polished reflective shell.

It might be easier just to build your own laser and hope you get to fire first.

120 posted on 02/16/2002 11:13:32 PM PST by piasa
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