[ken21]

that's 2 much reality for these "shoot from the hip" folks!

yeah, i grew up on a dairy farm in the '50s on the great plains. my father and brother are still doing that, working 365 days a year from 5am-9pm because they cannot get hired help. my father's 87, going on 88, and still going strong.

there's no money in it for the small (300 holsteins) family farm.

and the big guys (2000+ cows)get the large government subsidies, while using illegals.

[B4Ranch]

I would imagine the majority of them have never grown a successful family garden. The onres who have undoubtably complained about the water bills.