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Farmers: Get a Job!
Future of Freedom Foundation ^ | February 2002 | Sheldon Richman

Posted on 02/15/2002 2:58:58 PM PST by RJCogburn

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To: lara
Near the Quad Cities?

Right, near that area.

But we need people like you in California.

Thanks, but we are too far and in between. But we are trying to get the message out! Hopefully we can get rid of Red Davis and get a Rebublican gov.

Can you imagine what CA would be like without any conservative influence? Scary thought.

Right now we are living it.

As for boxer and feinstein, you have my sympathy. We got rid of Carol Mosley-Braun (probably better known here as, Carol Mostly Fraud) so there's hope for CA.

Man I hope so. Pray for March 5th!

121 posted on 02/15/2002 9:29:22 PM PST by Doomonyou
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To: grlfrnd
Thank you so much. That means a lot. The small farmer just isn't appreciated anymore.

Congratulations on your engagement! I hope your leg is healed in time for the wedding.

122 posted on 02/15/2002 9:36:16 PM PST by lara
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To: grlfrnd
I say, if it's socialism for farmers FINE!

Can't agree with you there. I'm no ecomnomic expert on agriculture, but farmers as well as everyone else needs to stand up on thier own, but to keep them afloat, some help might be OK. The only reason they need help is probably govmint regulations, Including FDA and EPA, etc.

Wow, I think you are the closest Freeper I've ever responded to. 40 miles!

123 posted on 02/15/2002 9:38:02 PM PST by Doomonyou
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To: Doomonyou
I really wish some of the posters would at least put their home state on their profile. It would help to possibly understand why they say what they do. This goes for both sides of the debate.
124 posted on 02/15/2002 9:42:30 PM PST by doglot
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To: Doomonyou
Oh I'm envious of you living the *good life* in Petaluma! Sigh, one day....if my sweetheart (the web designer) gets sponsored into a great paying job in the Bay Area...(he's back in the UK working). I've been helping him send out dozens of resumes for web designer, developer, etc. If you hear/know of anything let me know :)
125 posted on 02/15/2002 9:44:04 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: doglot
I agree. (they're chicken.)
126 posted on 02/15/2002 9:46:27 PM PST by Doomonyou
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To: lara
Oh thanks lara! I'm not sure *when* we're getting married exactly. Hopefully it will be this year :)

One of the positive things about this thread is that there's so many of us so-called Socialist Farm supporters here. I'm proud of us. We'll hold fast to our ideas. My thinking is that the throw-the-farmers-out people might be ...developers who want farm land to put up ugly tract homes.

127 posted on 02/15/2002 9:49:49 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: grlfrnd
Oh I'm envious of you living the *good life* in Petaluma!

Great town, just lousy politicians!

< I> Sigh, one day....if my sweetheart (the web designer) gets sponsored into a great paying job in the Bay Area...(he's back in the UK working).

Bad timing for valentines day.:(

I've been helping him send out dozens of resumes for web designer, developer, etc. If you hear/know of anything let me know :)

Not my field, but if I hear something...

Take care of the bent pin!(AKA broken leg.)

128 posted on 02/15/2002 9:51:50 PM PST by Doomonyou
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To: doglot
To those who want to beat up on tobacco farmers and tobacco in general. Tobacco subsidies are going away. Fast! Tobacco companies are contracting with farmers to raise what they will need. Can we say naming their own price? Evidently a fair one, right now. Tobacco manufactures have traditionally tried to be good to the growers. They knew neither was much use without the other. Tobacco auctioneering, the ultimate free market, is all but dead. Tobacco has kept many FAMILY farms in business in every state, but this is going away at an accelerated pace.
129 posted on 02/15/2002 9:57:35 PM PST by doglot
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To: Don Joe
I'm sure that made sense to you when you wrote it, but it does seem to have lost something in the translation.
130 posted on 02/15/2002 10:42:16 PM PST by MightyMouth
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To: MightyMouth
Living up to your monicker, I see. If you can step out of character for just a moment, and read two posts ahead of the one you're reacting to in your #130, you'll find it all makes sense, even to a MightyMouth like you.

For future reference, you might want to consider trying to gain a sense of continuity in the threads you copy. It can at times prove invaluable.

131 posted on 02/16/2002 12:24:59 AM PST by Don Joe
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To: Doomonyou
Take a look at this website. It will show the full extent of the farm welfare programs. There are many large corporations getting this money but in my own area of the world (SC), there are many small family recipients pulling in some huge bucks. http://www.ewg.org/farm/home.php
132 posted on 02/16/2002 4:09:07 AM PST by doosee
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To: doosee;all
Well, this thread is a good example of why our country is headed in the wrong direction and we really have no chance of stopping it.

I like farmers and appreciate their contribution and posted the article to generate some discussion.

Even here on FR, there are people who come out to defend government intervention, subsidy or whatever for a particular segment of society, and who make some good arguments in favor. So it happens with just about every segment of society....we are all in favor of limited government, the end of welfare subsidies etc. EXCEPT for whatever segment we happen to favor. Until there is some agreement by a lot of people that the concept, the philosophy is wrong, we are inevitably destined to continue our march in the direction of bigger government, more and more involved in our lives.

Too bad.

133 posted on 02/16/2002 4:23:18 AM PST by RJCogburn
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To: RJCogburn
No, you're missing the point.

Until all aspects of farming are removed from the yoke of socialist policy, pulling the IV out of the arm of agriculture will be a near-instant death sentence.

Agriculture is the most rigged game in town. To attack the farmers is to demonstrate the ability to be at once myopic, vindictive, and self-defeating. Say hi to your new chinese and mexican masters, perhaps if you express due deferrence, they'll toss you the scraps you need to survive at a price you can almost afford once American agriculture is no longer able to feed the country.

134 posted on 02/16/2002 7:40:11 AM PST by Don Joe
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To: RJCogburn
we are all in favor of limited government, the end of welfare subsidies etc.

Right!

EXCEPT for whatever segment we happen to favor.

Wrong!Freedom for all.

135 posted on 02/16/2002 7:58:45 AM PST by Doomonyou
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To: Don Joe
Right!
136 posted on 02/16/2002 8:00:22 AM PST by Doomonyou
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To: Doomonyou
I'm not whining; I find competition stimulative. I was trying to make the point that Big Stupid Government hasn't been bought off (yet) by Silicon Valley like it has by the Welfare Farmer lobby.
137 posted on 02/16/2002 8:19:49 AM PST by Hank Rearden
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To: eastforker
Would anyone here like to pay $20 a pound for hamburger meat.How about $10 for a box of cheerios or $12 a gallon for milk.

What a load of crap. You either know nothing about markets and price mechanisms or you're just blindly parroting the Welfare Farmer line.

Tell you what - let's go for it! I'll bet prices won't skyrocket once the Welfare Farmers get off our backs and off our tits, and I'm willing to take my chances with the free market, because it works.

Are you?

138 posted on 02/16/2002 8:23:18 AM PST by Hank Rearden
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To: doosee
Farm Subsidy Payments to Fortune 500 Companies vs. the Average Payment to the Bottom 80 Percent of Farm Subsidy Recipients Nationally (1996 - 2000)
139 posted on 02/16/2002 8:45:29 AM PST by Doomonyou
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To: jrherreid
Where is the Cabot coop? I know the St. Albans coop, and I don't remember ever seeing any 300 lb loafers or layabouts hanging out there.
140 posted on 02/16/2002 8:59:14 AM PST by eniapmot
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