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Posted on 02/15/2002 7:01:31 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Publius
That happens while still in Bag End... careful with the details in this group... hee hee...
To: BibChr
But looking at Bilbo, who's had it for decades, it had become addictive, but had not utterly corrupted him. And he was able (if barely) to part with it, in the end. After DECADES of ownership and use. That was a key point, wasn't it? That Bilbo was able to willingly, of his own free choice, let the ring go. As hard as it was, he didn't need to be forced to give it up.
And he had even worn it on occasion, whereas Frodo would not put it on...at least not at that point in the story...
-penny
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posted on
02/15/2002 9:41:28 AM PST
by
Penny1
To: HairOfTheDog
Ack! I knew I should have brought my book to work with me today, this is killing me not being able to look up the details!
When Gandalf threw it into the fire, did he throw it envelope and all, just like in the movie? It seems to me that he never actually touched the ring itself. No one else ever touched the ring except for Frodo and Sam (and Gollum, that is), unless my memory is failing me...which is entirely possible because it very often does...
Sheesh, I don't even know if I'm getting ahead of myself--am I still in Chapter 1?
-penny
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posted on
02/15/2002 9:44:55 AM PST
by
Penny1
To: HairOfTheDog
OK... now I'm really worried. I'm thinking that an intervention may be in order... :-)
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posted on
02/15/2002 9:50:17 AM PST
by
Ramius
To: Publius
At the Council of Rivendell, Gandalf not only touches the ring, he throws it into the fire to display the orcish runes containing the poem that defines the ring's purpose. Actually, he did that in Bag End. The book says that after throwing the Ring into the fire, Gandalf eventually removed it "to the hearth with the tongs, and at once picked it up." Frodo was aghast that the wizard could handle the thing all at once, but it turned out to be cool to the touch, as if a mere wood-fire was not enough even to warm it, much less destroy it.
At the Council, Gandalf does not repeat the experiment, but only there does he actually quote the verses that he saw on the Ring in Bilbo's house.
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posted on
02/15/2002 9:50:52 AM PST
by
thulldud
To: Ramius
OK... now I'm really worried. I'm thinking that an intervention may be in order... But it's a GOOD addiction! Why don't you join us? We've been having a blast!
To: All;Ramius
If my brother Ramius tries anything like an intervention, I trust you will all protect me.... Bothersome relatives!
To: HairOfTheDog
Please add me to your ping list...thanks!
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posted on
02/15/2002 9:57:50 AM PST
by
repubmom
To: Publius
Gandalf not only touches the ring, he throws it into the fire to display the orcish runes containing the poem that defines the ring's purpose.Actually, the runes were elvish, but the language was the Black Speech of Mordor:
"I cannot read the fiery letters," said Frodo in a quavering voice. "No," said Gandalf, "but I can. The letters are Elvish, of an ancient mode, but the language is that of Mordor, which I will not utter here."
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posted on
02/15/2002 9:58:55 AM PST
by
ecurbh
To: Penny1
That is chapter two. Chapter one ends with Gandalf leaving Frodo alone and bemused. Chapter Two is 17 years later. Which also answers a question upthread, when somebody said that Aragorn was 70 "in the first chapter". By the time he shows up, he's almost 90.
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posted on
02/15/2002 10:02:53 AM PST
by
JenB
To: JenB
They like getting proper meals and smoking pipeweed without Big Folk bothering them.They were the first conservatives!
To: Publius
In the Unfinished Tales, Tolkien surmises that, at first, the Numenoreans did more than just age slowly. It seems that they remained hale until within the last five years of their life, and died without struggling against their age. Only when the kings started to become greedy for life and power did they become feeble for longer periods at the ends of their lives.
To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Not only was Aragorn of Numenorean descent, but it appears that providence was one his side as well. The lifespans of the Kings of Gondor and the northern Chieftans grew gradually shorter after the fall of Numenor, and Aragorn, living to the age of 210, lived a longer lifespan than all of his direct ancestors until 19 generations back.
To: HairOfTheDog
But, when Gandalf wants to positively identify the ring as the One Ring, he takes it from Frodo (without envelope) and throws it into the fire himself. He takes it out with tongs, and Frodo is the one who sees the letters appear. Chapter 2! (Getting ahead of ourselves)
To: ecurbh
Me too please! Add me to the ping list!
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posted on
02/15/2002 10:53:13 AM PST
by
sneakers
To: carton253
It's hard, isn't it? To keep from jumping ahead.
I am re-reading about the party... I love the carmudgeon-nature of the hobbits...
"I hope you are all enjoying yourselves as much as I am" Deafening cheers. Cries of Yes (and No)
To: HairOfTheDog
PLEEEEAAAASSEEEE add me to your ping list, too!
I'm partway through the Two Towers and love it. I'm taking my dad to see the movie this weekend (it'll be my third viewing). This thread is a great idea--thanks!!!
To: HairOfTheDog
I am enjoying myself tremendously.
You are only up to the party, but when you get to Frodo giving out the "bequeaths" to Bilbo's various acquaintenances, we must discuss the spoons give to Lobila (forgive the mangling of her name). 61 years is a long time to hold a grudge, don't you think? Bilbo never got over the fact that she stole his spoons at the auction.
To: ecurbh
Hello Gang! Can I play, too?
Just got back from a drive to find the last theater in town that's still playing LOTR. Hubbie hasn't seen it- yet. And it's a discount theater, with bottomless popcorn.
I sat behind a Large-headed man the first time through, so I am looking forward to seeing both participants in converations at the same time.
To: frodolives
Welcome! - grab a book and settle in... Here is a pint.
There is a party going on, everyone has been invited, and even those who were not will come anyway! Gandalf will say a few mysterious things without explaining them, and Frodo will be left holding the bag. end.
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