Well, it appears that way.
Honestly, I don't think they have an answer. I think that example in post #13 undermines everything they stand for, so it's VERY uncomfortable for them to think about, so they ignore it.
I think this example in contradiction in conservative thought (I wouldn't use the term 'principles') deserves its own thread, don't you? ; )
The reality is, these posters never take a stand on any issue without checking to see what a libertarian has said. At that point, they automatically select the opposing position as their own. Some intellectual honesty, huh?
I wouldn't use either of those terms in connection with CJ, Kevin, Dane, Roscoe, et al, given their trolling of this thread.