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Santa Barbara Libertarians help win Boy Scout discrimination fight
LP News ^ | February | LP

Posted on 02/15/2002 6:50:19 AM PST by DoSomethingAboutIt

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To: DoSomethingAboutIt
Bakhaus said Libertarians support the right of the Boy Scouts to set their own membership requirements without government interference -- even if some Libertarians personally oppose those requirements.
"Even bigots have rights," he said. "Private organizations [should have] the right to make their own membership and leadership rules."

Bakhaus should really not ruin, what I consider, a perfectly principled position with this kind of rethoric. It only serves to give Libertarians the bad reputation the have amongst many conservatives.

21 posted on 02/15/2002 8:03:05 AM PST by southern rock
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To: Moonman62
The Libertarians didn't do this out of the goodness of their hearts

No, they didn't. They did it as a matter of principle, something the Republican Party has long since abandoned.

22 posted on 02/15/2002 8:04:08 AM PST by alpowolf
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To: alpowolf
No, they didn't. They did it as a matter of principle, something the Republican Party has long since abandoned.

A principle of self centered naïveté. The L's would just soon protect the rights of a "pedophile" as to protect the rights of parents and their children.

23 posted on 02/15/2002 8:08:31 AM PST by Moonman62
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To: Moonman62
The L's would just soon protect the rights of a "pedophile"

That's manure. Read the article again. The action the LP took in this case has exactly the opposite effect.

Don't presume to tell me what I would "just soon do".

24 posted on 02/15/2002 8:17:35 AM PST by alpowolf
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To: Moonman62
The L's would just soon protect the rights of a "pedophile" as to protect the rights of parents and their children

There is no such thing a right to pedophilia, so your statement is foolish. Furthermore, even a pedophile has Constitutional rights that are currently protected by force of law. Are you opposed to that?

25 posted on 02/15/2002 8:18:23 AM PST by The Green Goblin
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To: Moonman62
"Even bigots have rights," said [Santa Barbara LP Secretary Robert Bakhaus].

Ironic statement.

26 posted on 02/15/2002 9:03:25 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Bigot

I think the statement is true. Bigot is not a bad word...

28 posted on 02/15/2002 9:19:50 AM PST by Baseballguy
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To: Baseballguy
Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, hypocrite, bigot
Date: 1661
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices

Merriam-Webster

Fits Robert Bakhaus well.
29 posted on 02/15/2002 9:24:19 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: freeeee
"Even bigots have rights," he(Santa Barbara LP Secretary Robert Bakhaus) said.

What a hubristic comment. Comparing the Boy Scouts to the KKK. And you ask why a lot of people think that Libertarians are on dope.

30 posted on 02/15/2002 9:33:30 AM PST by Dane
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To: corkoman
LOL Excellent post. You know they would never want THEIR private organization to be forced to do any such thing, but they scream bloody murder about the Boy Scouts practicing the same right of freedom of association.
31 posted on 02/15/2002 9:38:24 AM PST by MEGoody
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To: Kevin Curry
As I've said before, I'll say again: libertarianism would work fine in a society comprising highly moral, self-disciplined, God-fearing people.

-- Of course it would kevin.
-- But the true genius of our constitutional republic would be realised if it's basic libertarian principles were reinstated and honored by courts & government officials.
We would then have a society that worked, --- dispite immoral, undisciplined, irreligious people.

Self interest & fair treatment under minimal law work. Our nearly hundred year experiment in big brother government has not.

32 posted on 02/15/2002 9:43:07 AM PST by tpaine
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To: Dane
I didn't like that comment either. Somehow I had a sneaky suspicion you'd ignore the rest of the article and focus on that.

Care to comment on post #13? It makes a very important point that hasn't been addressed by 'your side'. Perhaps you'd like to take a crack at it?

33 posted on 02/15/2002 9:43:08 AM PST by freeeee
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To: Kevin Curry
The Libertarian Party has a fine automobile, but no engine; a comely body, but no soul. All it is fit for is self-indulgent rust and decay.

Spoken from what you stand for? Does the right of an individual or a group have to be intrusted to ones grovernment?

34 posted on 02/15/2002 9:50:46 AM PST by Baseballguy
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To: freeeee
I didn't like that comment either. Somehow I had a sneaky suspicion you'd ignore the rest of the article and focus on that.

That comment speaks volumes to me. Mr. Bakhaus thinks that the Boy Scouts are bigots and are on par with the KKK. The same tact basically as Hillary Clinton.

Sorry but the Boy Scouts are not bigots and there was no reason for Mr. Bakhaus to make that "Hillary" like remark.

35 posted on 02/15/2002 9:51:16 AM PST by Dane
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To: Cultural Jihad
I whole-heartedly agree with the ideologues when they chime in about free association. If a landlord doesn't want to rent to these people, he should have that right. If an employer doesn't want to hire them, he should have that right, too.

-- Refreshing to see you make a rational remark, jihad. But then you lapse into incoherence:

But when the ideologues chime in on how people have no right to determine what kind of a society they are to live in and what the laws should say, or that religious have no 1st Amendment right to exercise their religion which includes the formation of the larger family, then we part company.

-- I would too, if anyone 'chimed in' to actually say anything like that. Can you make some quotes of those positions being avocated on this thread? I bet not.

36 posted on 02/15/2002 9:55:10 AM PST by tpaine
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To: Dane
Mr. Bakhaus thinks that the Boy Scouts are bigots and are on par with the KKK.

Yet, he defends them.

The same tact basically as Hillary Clinton.

I doubt ol' Hill would stand up for the rights of those with whom she disagrees. Principled defense of liberty isn't in her playbook.

Given any thought to post #13?

37 posted on 02/15/2002 9:55:58 AM PST by freeeee
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To: freeeee
I doubt ol' Hill would stand up for the rights of those with whom she disagrees. Principled defense of liberty isn't in her playbook

Yet they both(Hillary and Mr. Bakhaus) have the same mindset, that the Boy Scouts are bigots. That speaks volumes, IMHO.

38 posted on 02/15/2002 9:59:32 AM PST by Dane
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To: Roscoe
"Even bigots have rights," said [Santa Barbara LP Secretary Robert Bakhaus].

Ironic statement.

More than you realise.

He means even you.

39 posted on 02/15/2002 10:01:52 AM PST by tpaine
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To: Eagle Eye
His silence speaks volumes.
40 posted on 02/15/2002 10:04:10 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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