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Unintelligible Redesign - This is the way creationism ends. Not with a bang, but with a whimper.
Slate ^ | 2/13/2002 | William Saletan

Posted on 02/14/2002 3:30:12 PM PST by jennyp

According to scientists, teachers, and civil libertarians, the Taliban has invaded Ohio. Creationists have devised a theory called "Intelligent Design" (ID) and are trying to get Ohio's Board of Education to make sure it's taught alongside Darwinism. Unlike creationism, ID accepts that the Earth is billions of years old and that species evolve through natural selection. It posits that life has been designed but doesn't specify by whom. Liberals call ID a menace that will sneak religion into public schools. They're exactly wrong. ID is a big nothing. It's non-living, non-breathing proof that religion has surrendered its war against science.

Creationism used to be assertive and powerful. Darwinism wasn't allowed in schools. As Darwin gained the upper hand, conservatives fought to preserve creationism alongside evolution. They lost the war on both fronts. Courts struck down the teaching of creationism on the grounds that it mixed church and state. Meanwhile, scientific evidence discredited the belief that the Earth was created in six days and was only 6,000 years old. Like the Taliban, creationists were washed up. Their only hope was to flee to the mountains, shave their beards, change their clothes, and come back as something else.

What they've come back as is the Intelligent Design movement. Gone are the falsifiable claims of a six-day creation and a 6,000-year-old Earth. Gone is the God of the Bible. In their place, ID enthusiasts speak of questions, mysteries, and possibilities. As to whether God, the Force, or ET created us, ID is agnostic. "We simply ask the question as to whether something can form naturally or if there must have been something more, a designer," Robert Lattimer, an ID proponent in Ohio, told the Columbus Dispatch. "Our main contention is that [evolution-focused curriculum] standards are purely naturalistic and leave no room for the possibility that part of nature can be designed."

This soft-headed agnosticism matches the soft-headed arguments for including it in the curriculum. They're the same arguments leftists have made for ebonics. According to ID proponents, the committee in charge of Ohio's science curriculum is too "homogenous" and lacks "diversity." It marginalizes alternative "points of view" to which students should be "exposed." A conservative state senator says some people "think differently, and all those ideas should be explored." A conservative member of the state education board says Ohioans deserve a science curriculum "they can all be comfortable with."

Behind these pleas for diversity is the kind of educational relativism conservatives normally despise. "Biological evolution, like creationism and design, cannot be proved to be either true or false," writes one ID enthusiast in Ohio. Since evolution is an "unproven theory," says another, "belief in it is just as much an act of faith as is belief in creationism or in the theory of intelligent design."

The response of liberals, teachers, and scientists has been hysterical. They accuse the ID movement of peddling "intolerance," fronting for the Christian right, and trying "to force a narrow religious ideology into our schools." If Ohio lets ID into its curriculum, they prophesy, the state will become an "international laughingstock," triggering a corporate exodus, a decline in property values, and the collapse of Ohio's standard of living. They refuse to acknowledge a difference between ID and creationism. "This is just a new paint job on the same old Edsel," says an Ohio University physiologist.

The analogy is inside out. Creationists haven't repainted their Edsel. They've taken out the engine and the transmission. Without distinctive, measurable claims such as the six-day creation, the 6,000-year-old Earth, and other literal interpretations of the Bible, creationism no longer materially contradicts evolution. The reason not to teach intelligent design isn't that it's full of lies or dogma. The reason is that it's empty.

Advocates of ID do offer interesting criticisms of Darwin's theory of evolution. They argue that natural selection doesn't account for the rise and fall of species, that many biological mechanisms wouldn't make organisms more fit to survive unless those mechanisms appeared all at once, and that the combinations necessary to create life are so complex that it would be statistically impossible to generate them by chance. My colleague Bob Wright answered these criticisms in Slate last year. I don't know whether they stand up to his rebuttal or not. But I do know this: They don't add up to a theory.

A theory isn't just a bunch of criticisms, even if they're valid. A theory ties things together. It explains and predicts. Intelligent design does neither. It doesn't explain why part of our history seems intelligently designed and part of it doesn't. Why are our feet and our back muscles poorly designed for walking? Why are we afflicted by lethal viruses? Why have so many females died in childbirth? ID doesn't explain these things. It just shrugs at them. "Design theory seeks to show, based on scientific evidence, that some features of living things may be designed by a mind or some form of intelligence," says one ID proponent. Some? May? Some? What kind of theory is that?

As Wright explains, Darwinian theory makes predictions that can be tested. It predicts that the average difference in size between males and females will correspond to the degree of polygamy in a species, and that in species in which females can reproduce more often than males, females will be more sexually assertive and less discriminating about their sex partners than males will be. These predictions turn out to be true. Darwin claimed that humans had descended from apes. If fossils unearthed since his death had exhibited no such connection, his theory would have been discredited. What empirical predictions does ID make that, if proven untrue, would discredit the theory?

John Calvert, the country's principal exponent of ID, answered that question in a treatise he presented to the Ohio board. Calvert described the "methods" by which scientists can "detect" design in nature.

In summary, if a highly improbable pattern of events or object exhibits purpose, structure or function and can not be reasonably and rationally explained by the operation of the laws of physics and chemistry or some other regularity or law, then it is reasonable to infer that the pattern was designed. — the product of a mind.

That, in a nutshell, is ID. It offers no predictions, scope modifiers, or experimental methods of its own. It's a default answer, a shrug, consisting entirely of problems in Darwinism. Those problems should be taught in school, but there's no reason to call them intelligent design. Intelligent design, as defined by its advocates, means nothing. This is the way creationism ends. Not with a bang, but with a whimper.


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To: Nebullis
I'm sorry Jazz, this is pure foolishness.

Why?

Back to proofreading topic; here from a PNAS search:

Genetics

Mutants in the Exo I motif of Escherichia coli dnaQ:

Defective proofreading and inviability due to error catastrophe

(fidelity of DNA replication / dnaQ and dnaE genes / mutD5 mutator / dnaE antimutators / saturation of mismatch repair)

Iwona J. Fijalkowska* and Roel M. Schaaper

Laboratory of Molecular Genetics, National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, Research Triangle Park, NC 27709

Communicated by Maurice S. Fox, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, MA, December 11, 1995 (received for review October 27, 1995)

The Escherichia coli dnaQ gene encodes the proofreading 3' exonuclease ( subunit) of DNA polymerase III holoenzyme and is a critical determinant of chromosomal replication fidelity. We constructed by site-specific mutagenesis a mutant, dnaQ926, by changing two conserved amino acid residues (Asp-12Ala and Glu-14Ala) in the Exo I motif, which, by analogy to other proofreading exonucleases, is essential for the catalytic activity. When residing on a plasmid, dnaQ926 confers a strong, dominant mutator phenotype, suggesting that the protein, although deficient in exonuclease activity, still binds to the polymerase subunit ( subunit or dnaE gene product). When dnaQ926 was transferred to the chromosome, replacing the wild-type gene, the cells became inviable. However, viable dnaQ926 strains could be obtained if they contained one of the dnaE alleles previously characterized in our laboratory as antimutator alleles or if it carried a multicopy plasmid containing the E. coli mutL+ gene. These results suggest that loss of proofreading exonuclease activity in dnaQ926 is lethal due to excessive error rates (error catastrophe). Error catastrophe results from both the loss of proofreading and the subsequent saturation of DNA mismatch repair. The probability of lethality by excessive mutation is supported by calculations estimating the number of inactivating mutations in essential genes per chromosome replication.

So there is evidence that without a proofreading function, error rates for bio-chemical self-replicators are too high to provide survivability, and therefore evolvability.
181 posted on 02/20/2002 10:40:50 AM PST by jazzraptor
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To: jazzraptor
Error catastrophe results from both the loss of proofreading and the subsequent saturation of DNA mismatch repair. The probability of lethality by excessive mutation is supported by calculations estimating the number of inactivating mutations in essential genes per chromosome replication.

Do the mutations discussed exclude self-induced mutations?

182 posted on 02/20/2002 1:35:32 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: jazzraptor
Why?

Because questions like "Why?" and "How?" are intrinsic to the observation that nitrogenases are oxygen sensitive. Julie Thomas, after playing twister for a while, arrives "by design" at the very question that is the starting point for the naturalist.

So there is evidence that without a proofreading function, error rates for bio-chemical self-replicators are too high to provide survivability, and therefore evolvability.

Too many mutations lead to error catastrophy and too few mutations don't lead to change. This is well known. And it's also well known that this places similar constraints on early replicators. The only conclusion I can draw from the abstract is that the E. coli dnaQ gene must not have been the first replicator!

183 posted on 02/20/2002 2:21:13 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: AndrewC, jazzraptor
Error catastropy is utilized in drug design for highly mutating viruses. Increasing mutation rates kills the virus. And it's simpler to increase mutation rates than to stop mutations.
184 posted on 02/20/2002 2:23:12 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: AndrewC
With random mutation also being eliminated from the evolution equation...

LOL. Jumping the gun, just a little, aren't you?

185 posted on 02/20/2002 2:25:04 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: Nebullis
Because questions like "Why?" and "How?" are intrinsic to the observation that nitrogenases are oxygen sensitive. Julie Thomas, after playing twister for a while, arrives "by design" at the very question that is the starting point for the naturalist.

This is not a satisfying response to me. The Thomas paper is 30 pages or so, half of which is dedicated to the discussion of nitrogenase; it’s role for the organism, it’s role in terraformation (whether foreseen or not), evolutionary explanations for its existence, problems with those explanations, nitrogenase from a design perspective, and problems with that perspective.

Here’s more from Thomas on nitrogenase:

The more I think about nitrogenase, the more it makes sense in light of design and terraforming. It is often said that one way to show design is to find a biological feature that is useless to the organism that possesses it, but benefits other organisms. This would be unexplainable from the perspective of natural selection. But it would also be a terrible design strategy, as any feature that is useless to an organism is no different from a pseudogene and thus would quickly decay. If you want to design a feature that is useful to other organisms, then the feature must also be useful to the organism that possesses it so that natural selection can be used to maintain and propagate it. Nitrogenase may not be useless, but it is so costly that many bacteria have gotten rid of it. For not only does it cost so much ATP that growth suffers significantly, but cells must also have strategies to protect the nitrogenase from oxygen. Thus, in terms of individual benefit, nitrogenase activity is not overly impressive. But in terms of benefit for the biosphere, it is essential. If, for example, nitrogenase was lost among all bacteria 2 billion years ago, it is quite doubtful life would exist today (or it would exist only minimally as few single- celled organisms). Nitrogenase is at the heart of the ecological nitrogen cycle. Thus, here is an example where a molecular machine seems far more important to the biosphere than any particular organism possessing the machine (organisms can lose it, but the biosphere cannot).

Of course, this costly machine also poses a design problem to terraforming. This problem can be formulated as follows:

How do you design bacteria-like cells, for the purpose of terraforming, so that your costly nitrogenase is not completely lost by all bacteria over time?

From my perspective, do I give more credence to the thoughtful and thorough detailed analysis (that admittedly is a bit over my head) from Thomas, or a one sentence dismissal without explanation from someone whom I respect?

Compare Thomas’ hypothesis, which you call foolishness, to this recent press release:

In years past, scientific speculation about how life began on Earth envisioned primordial soups and slimy goo as the incubators in which the first tiny microorganisms developed, billions of years ago. More recently, microbiologists have examined places formerly seen as too harsh and inhospitable to foster biology, seeking answers about how life developed and adapts.

Hydrothermal vents, for example -- areas on the ocean floor that expel seawater superheated deep in the Earth's crust -- and the exotic creatures that live there have received increased attention.

Now scientists are scrutinizing another location for clues in unraveling some of life's riddles -- deep in the ground, underneath the planet's surface.

"We've pretty much left Darwin's warm little pond in the dust," said David Stahl, a University of Washington professor of civil and environmental engineering whose work focuses on ecology and evolution. "The subsurface is being increasingly viewed as an important and largely unexplored part of the biosphere. Depending on how you calculate it, its biomass may exceed the biomass on the surface of the planet."

Is this speculation just "foolishness" in your opinion? Before you answer, let me give you my take.

This is a prime example of methodological naturalism putting the cart before the horse. Did life start near hydrothermal vents? Did life start deep in the earth's crust? Did life start in the primordial soup? Did life start high in the atmosphere? I’ve read all of these speculations and more.

How about this question: Is it possible for non-cellular protolife to even exist or perpetuate at all? I mean come on! Shouldn't we try to answer this question before taking wild guesses about some origin location? No one has found any protolife. No one has bioengineered any protolife. There's no evidence for chemical evolution. Replicators without proofreading yield to error catastrophe. Simplest cellular life contains dozens of IC molecular machines, which we know cannot evolve in direct Darwinian fashion. Is it just me? If I asked "Does Big Foot prefer the beach or the mountains?" and then had a huge debate with my fellow Big Foot enthusiasts, wouldn't some astute observer break in with, "Do we know if Big Foot really exists?"

The methodological naturalistic assumption requires the conclusion that life came about by abiogenesis. If we assume Big Foot, I guess it wouldn't be so silly to discuss his preference for the mountains over the beach!

The only conclusion I can draw from the abstract is that the E. coli dnaQ gene must not have been the first replicator!

There’s a problem here. In order to avoid error catastrophe, we infer from this that the first replicator must have been a more reliable replicator than proofreadingless E. coli. But if this is so, why evolve proofreading at all? Why not just depend upon Natural Selection to evolve the ideal rate of mutation?

The alternate view is that replicators within the bio-chemical platform are just inherently error-prone . . . too error prone to sustain themselves without proofreading. This view is also supported by my Goodwin quote. (I recall reading somewhere that proofreading improves fidelity by a factor of 50,000! Don’t quote me. This is off the top of my head.)

186 posted on 02/20/2002 3:38:13 PM PST by jazzraptor
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To: AndrewC
Ooops. Forgot to bump you!
187 posted on 02/20/2002 3:39:00 PM PST by jazzraptor
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To: jazzraptor
This is not a satisfying response to me.

It's because you don't get it. You're in manic mode and can't finish one thought before flitting to the next barage of quotes.

In the section I quoted to you, Thomas invokes 'design' as an aid to arrive at a question which is obvious without invoking design. Can you comment on that?How is the design perspective helping her? I made no comment on her "terraforming hypothesis"--I haven't read anything beyond what you posted. It sounds gaia-ish.

188 posted on 02/20/2002 5:29:02 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: jazzraptor
In order to avoid error catastrophe, we infer from this that the first replicator must have been a more reliable replicator than proofreadingless E. coli. But if this is so, why evolve proofreading at all?

Because things evolve.

Why not just depend upon Natural Selection to evolve the ideal rate of mutation?

There's your answer.

189 posted on 02/20/2002 5:32:16 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: Nebullis
LOL. Jumping the gun, just a little, aren't you?

Well that is my interpretation of the statement made by Shapiro, "removes the process of genome restructuring from the stochastic realm of physical-chemical insults to DNA and replication accidents". And I do qualify my statement in post 179 by saying "if this analysis is correct".

190 posted on 02/20/2002 5:47:45 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: Nebullis
It's because you don't get it. You're in manic mode and can't finish one thought before flitting to the next barage of quotes.

I leave it to the lurkers to judge the coherence of my thoughts. If you don't want to talk about this, no one is forcing you. I'll see you later.

-- jazz

191 posted on 02/20/2002 5:50:57 PM PST by jazzraptor
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To: Nebullis
Why not just depend upon Natural Selection to evolve the ideal rate of mutation?
There's your answer.

How do you select for something that is supposed to be random?

192 posted on 02/20/2002 5:57:55 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: Nebullis
The ideas that have ‘branched’ from this thread are still ‘barking’, and yet ‘leaves’ one to wonder where the ‘roots’ lie. If an idea were a tree, and explained thusly, would one still see the forest?

Ah, the age of enlightenment – ‘I think therefore I am’ – how could any bolder statement be made.
But the question, ‘why do we think?’, has yet to be answered.
So we turn to science, but it can only give the absolutes as provided by nature, the laws that describe the Universe and the physical. How can science describe the intangibles, i.e. thoughts?
Evolutions’ Big Bang – Thoughts just appeared – just like the Universe. Just accept it now and science will prove this later. This surly could not be based on faith.
But even if this were to be proven true – our intelligence came from nothing? How could this be trusted coming from our own minds?

For science to prove this, nature itself would need intelligence, and we would then need to prove that nature happened by chance.

Or maybe we could just come up with some politically correct words to better describe ID>

193 posted on 02/20/2002 6:20:42 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: jazzraptor
I leave it to the lurkers to judge the coherence of my thoughts.

You're not incoherent. I'm frustrated that you don't finish one issue before moving on to the next. I am trying to move you back to the discussion of Julie Thomas and her use of 'design' in forming questions. Do you have any comments on that?

194 posted on 02/20/2002 6:38:21 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: jennyp
In 8th grade (91 or 92) in Upstate New York, for a day or two in my science class the teacher outlined creation, evolution, and aliens as different theories for why there's life on earth. I don't remember what he said about creation (whether he just mentioned Judaeo-Christian belief under it or if it was much more central to the description), but I had no problem with it then and wouldn't care now if the teacher still brought it up.
195 posted on 02/20/2002 6:40:06 PM PST by Styria
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To: Nebullis
Nebullis,

Are you are arguing that there is no intelligence behind your own intelligence. LOL!

196 posted on 02/20/2002 6:46:43 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: AndrewC
And I do qualify my statement in post 179 by saying "if this analysis is correct".

Of course. But, Shapiro is talking about specific kinds of mutations, that of directed insertions of transposable elements. Genome restructuring by elements intrinsic to the organism is, then, an explanation for punctuation or major innovation.

197 posted on 02/21/2002 6:26:40 AM PST by Nebullis
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To: Nebullis
But, Shapiro is talking about specific kinds of mutations, that of directed insertions of transposable elements.

That is not how I interpret stochastic realm of physical-chemical insults to DNA.

198 posted on 02/21/2002 8:51:14 AM PST by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
That is not how I interpret ...

Did you read the paper?

199 posted on 02/21/2002 9:14:53 AM PST by Nebullis
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To: Nebullis
Did you read the paper?

No. I just made up those quotes.

200 posted on 02/21/2002 9:25:19 AM PST by AndrewC
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