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To: CCWoody; fortheDeclaration; OrthodoxPresbyterian; Jerry_M; JenB; Zack Nguyen
All true Christians know Christ personally. Contrary to ftD's insinuations, this is not a matter of exalting a mystical experience.

One of the problems with today's churchgoers is that they have a name that they are alive and are dead. Jesus specifically rebuked the people who think that their study of the Bible amounts to salvation. The Reformers pointed out over and over and over that this is a disastrous mistake.

We have to meet to Christ in the Spirit. A churchgoer can search the Scriptures and think that in them he has life, but if that sinner does not go to Christ in the Spirit, he is just a reprobate who thinks he is saved.

This is what the Reformation was all about. But I frankly fear that ftD doesn't know squat about the faith of the Reformation. (See my previous post, in which I warned that some of today's "Arminian Baptists" have strayed so far from the important truths which were ardently defended by the Reformers and the Anabaptists and the early Baptists that they don't know what justifying faith is. The majority of 18th century Baptists would consider ftD to be an ill-mannered scoffer against the Word of God.)

122 posted on 02/17/2002 5:27:30 PM PST by the_doc
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To: the_doc
All true Christians know Christ personally. Contrary to ftD's insinuations, this is not a matter of exalting a mystical experience.

The 'born again' experience is not what Woody is referring to. That is the Holy Spirit giving witness to the human spirit that you are saved. Woody 'experience' is something different.

One of the problems with today's churchgoers is that they have a name that they are alive and are dead. Jesus specifically rebuked the people who think that their study of the Bible amounts to salvation. The Reformers pointed out over and over and over that this is a disastrous mistake.

I think a lot of the Reformers may have been 'dead' themselves. In fact, I am not to sure about Calvin.

We have to meet to Christ in the Spirit. A churchgoer can search the Scriptures and think that in them he has life, but if that sinner does not go to Christ in the Spirit, he is just a reprobate who thinks he is saved.

Pretty long winded tonight Doc, have anything to say?

This is what the Reformation was all about. But I frankly fear that ftD doesn't know squat about the faith of the Reformation.

I know a lot more about the Reformation then you guys wish I did. I know it did not go far enough and kept many of the same apostate corruptions of Roman Catholism.

(See my previous post, in which I warned that some of today's "Arminian Baptists" have strayed so far from the important truths which were ardently defended by the Reformers and the Anabaptists and the early Baptists that they don't know what justifying faith is. The majority of 18th century Baptists would consider ftD to be an ill-mannered scoffer against the Word of God.)

They would? And what would you consider them to be Doc? If you were in Geneva with your idol Calvin you would be helping him light the touches to burn those same anabaptists at the stake for not holding to 'good Reformed theology'

I thought you were not going to be dealing with me any longer, Oh great one!

For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise(2Cor.10:12)

127 posted on 02/17/2002 7:30:49 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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