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To: ctdonath2
Thank you for your reasoned response. You have in your last post truly revealed your feelings and position on this matter. And that is, "If a few innocents have to die (3000+) in the process of keeping open borders, political correctness, and maintaining our touchy-feely nation" then you are in deed correct. But I will in closing remind you, WE ARE AT WAR, and in any of these countries of origin you so vigorously defend, YOU CT would stand before a firing squad for YOUR skin color. Deportation in such a case is actually quite mild, and reasoned..........FresnoDA
261 posted on 02/14/2002 7:55:01 AM PST by FresnoDA
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To: FresnoDA
But I will in closing remind you, WE ARE AT WAR, and in any of these countries of origin you so vigorously defend, YOU CT would stand before a firing squad for YOUR skin color. Deportation in such a case is actually quite mild, and reasoned..........FresnoDA

Let me parse your rhetoric here:

"Because everyone else acts like 100% tyrannical despots, we can just be 20% tyrannical despots, no hurt, no foul." Someone else's morally wrong behavior does not give justification for lesser moral wrongs by anybody else. WE have opted to hold ourselves to a higher standard. The true test of Constitutional governance is not whether we can say "a man is innocent until proven guilty," but whether we can ACT on that belief in the most trying of times, when all we want to do is lash out against SOMEONE who looks like the enemy.

Deport illegal aliens? No problem. Deport legal immigrants that we have probable cause (i.e., hard evidence on that particular individual) to believe are involved in nefarious activity? No problem. Detain and deport everyone who goes to a mosque? BIG problem.

Suppose we had taken your standard and applied it in 1995, immediately after the Oklahoma City bombing. Would you have supported placing all "right-wing extremists" in "detention camps" for the duration of the "emergency?"

I must remind you that we are fighting a war to preserve both our nation and the ideals upon which it was founded. Punishing an entire group for the actions of a few runs completely contrary to both the letter of the Constitution and the intent the Founding Fathers had in drafting same.

263 posted on 02/14/2002 8:15:53 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: FresnoDA
You have in your last post truly revealed your feelings and position on this matter. And that is, "If a few innocents have to die (3000+) in the process of keeping open borders, political correctness, and maintaining our touchy-feely nation" then you are in deed correct.

Wow, you're really out there. I said absolutely nothing of the sort. I'd like to say you're twisting my words, but you're just making stuff up. You're the one eager to trash the Constitution (and accept the resulting harms) because of an individual's race or religion. You're hysterical, in more than one use of the word.

But I will in closing remind you, WE ARE AT WAR,

Yes, and we should certainly strike those clearly associated with the organization which struck us. BUT...just because someone is a Muslim and/or Arab does not mean they are part of Al-Qaidah and out to get us.

and in any of these countries of origin you so vigorously defend,

I never said I was defending countries. I am defending individuals who peacefully reside in ours.

...YOU CT would stand before a firing squad for YOUR skin color. Deportation in such a case is actually quite mild, and reasoned

Reasoned? You mean to tell me that you that JUST BECAUSE OF SKIN COLOR (or religion) you support deportation? and that I should be satisfied because it's not execution? Do you hear yourself? Do you comprehend the absurditiy and evil of your comments? Do you recognize that you are fulfilling the straightforward definition of "bigot"? The 2nd Amendment exists precisely to let innocents (in this case, peaceful USA-resident/citizen Muslims who have not remotely harmed any Americans) protect themselves from people like you: a bigot who would wreck their lives ONLY because they look/worship different.

266 posted on 02/14/2002 9:10:06 AM PST by ctdonath2
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